Posted on 06/30/2008 7:22:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
SANDY, UTAH -- The polygamist sect preached that Dan Fischer was a heretic who had turned his back on God's chosen children.
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But for Enos Deloy Steed, who was banished at age 17 for kissing a girl, Fischer was like a guardian angel, the kindest man he had ever met.
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"He's a remarkable man," Utah Atty. Gen. Mark Shurtleff said of Fischer. "He has done more for the lost boys than everyone else combined. I know he doesn't like to brag about it, but he has spent millions."
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
These are the things the FLDS members and apologists don’t want people to know about.
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That was the first article I have read regarding anyone who is willing to help the Lost Boys. I can’t imagine what it takes to “deprogram” these people after years of religious guilt and intimidation.
At one time in my youth I attended a church that was ultra conservative Baptist. The women in the church were told it was a sin to wear pants or have short hair. They would actually have baseball games and snow skiing trips with girls wearing long skirts. It was pretty outrageous.
But they are very clannish, and don’t associate with other churches. That’s the key point; keep your membership away from the world. Then they have complete control over your entire lifestyle. I finally got out of that. But it certainly wasn’t as crazy as this FLDS cult.
Ironically, the FLDS complains about the horrors of ripping families apart, but the “prophet” routinely does it to maintain control of anyone who questions authority and also to rid the community of young men who will be in competition with the old geezers wanting to add more young girls to their harems.
Church discipline is always a thorny subject. Isn’t it wonderful that the churches are no longer able to burn people at the stake or have them beheaded?
BTTT
“Fischer, 59, secretly practiced polygamy for years in the Salt Lake City suburbs, maintaining three wives and fathering 16 children. But he chafed under a church leadership that he considered increasingly authoritarian and “goofy,” and he broke free in 1995 with his second wife, Leenie, the one he truly adored.”
Is he going to be prosecuted for his seedy past and all of his children put in foster homes?
Thanks for pointing out that many denominations/religions have odd/oppressive practices - but that doesn’t mean the authorities should raid the church at gunpoint and snatch all the children away. It was still a free country last time I checked. You left that Baptist church and any FLDS can walk away, too. Like I said, it’s a free country. What is not right is for the government to crack down on religion. The Constitution forbids it - freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of speech. I love America.
Apparently you didn’t read my post very carefully. I never made any comment regarding the raid on the FLDS compound. I only commented on the fact that once a religious cult has complete control on your lifestyle, it is difficult to return to a somewhat normal lifestyle.
“Church discipline is always a thorny subject.”
Does church discipline trump state laws, and the Constitution?
Hello Mrs. Duffy.
How are you today?
“Is he going to be prosecuted for his seedy past and all of his children put in foster homes?”
I went back and reread the entire article, again, just to be sure. I can find no where that it states his children went into foster homes. The way it reads, he left the FLDS ‘family’ and took his immediate family with him.
He lives at a ranch with his family.
It doesn’t say whether that included any children from the other wives, or if they even had any.
The answer to your question is, IMHO, no.
The fact that he is spending a large part of his fortune on rescuing the victims who were torn from their mother’s arms, and women who were abused by those following Warren’s doctrines, and who had to submit to his ‘orders’ or else, is a very Christian thing to do.
I read the article twice and missed the part about foster homes both times. Could you please direct me to the section where it states that? Or do you have personal knowledge about Mr. Fischer? I would have thought his wives and children would have been reassigned to other, more worthy, men by Warren Jeffs.
Then a few years after Dan Fischer left Warren Jeffs threw out his 72 year old father. Wow, just wow.
I think it's great that Mr. Fischer has used his fortune to help these children who were thrown out of their homes, like trash, by their parents with little to no education and nothing more than the shirts upon their backs.
This thread is about the man who is helping the lost boys. Can you stay on topic?
The article reads, “Fischer, 59, secretly practiced polygamy for years in the Salt Lake City suburbs, maintaining three wives and fathering 16 children”
This is interesting and a great point. Fischer “secretly practiced polygamy for years . . .” I just wondered outloud if he is going to be prosecuted and if his children should be rounded up and put in foster homes. Why is that controversial to you?
It wasn't churches that did that. It was government that did that. This is especially true with regard to the witch hunts which were generally opposed by the churches (at least the Catholic church).
Or consider the Spanish Inquisition -- it was initially opposed by the Vatican, which was finally coerced into consent by threats from the Spanish Crown to withhold military protection from the Turks, and even then it was still considered more fair and merciful than the royal tribunals.
There is a myth being promoted that the cause of injustice and oppression is Christianity, when the truth is that Christianity is the biggest bulwark against them.
Not in the United States of America.
I am so relieved to know this. I shall immediately revise all of my history books. Does this also apply to Muslims?
Probably a bad idea if you are selling your history books to public schools or trying to get the dino media to promote them. OTOH, if you want your history books to be accurate, absolutely!!
Does this also apply to Muslims?
There is a myth being promoted that the cause of injustice and oppression is Christianity, when the truth is that Christianity is the biggest bulwark against them. Note: Islam is not Christianity.
Well, I am glad I didn’t identify what particular church discipline I was referencing! Some folks would also say that the FLDS is not a Christian Church.
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