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To: bcsco

I realize that 30 years separate the two...

However, both papers are printed on a form that says in the lower left corner OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01) LASER

Both of these papers were printed in the Hawaii Vital Records Office after November 2001 as the result of a request for a birth certificate. Neither was generated in 1930 or 1961.

The website for requesting Birth Certificates from Hawaii has a .pdf application form that has fields for requesting certified copies (ie, with the seal) and “other” - without the seal = copies. I bet the different color borders indicate whether is is a $12.00, with the seal, copy or a $4.00, uncertified copy.

Also, at the bottom of the application form is a section “for Office Use Only” which is used by the clerk who is searching the ACTUAL records of birth, made in the year of the birth.

This focus on these Hawaiia-generated papers is a waste of time.

http://genealogy.about.com/od/vital_records/p/hawaii.htm


154 posted on 06/29/2008 7:08:11 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: maica

For some reason, I don’t think there is a record. Even in his own words, his description of Jesus & his Christian Faith is more like something out of the new age movement. This link is from his 2004 interview with a religion columnist GG. It was previously posted on FR, but here is the link, because it is an interesting read. What I found very weird was this quote

OBAMA:
Yeah. I mean, something like it.
Looking for, … IT’s interesting, the most powerful political moments for me come when I feel like my actions are aligned with a certain truth. I can feel it. When I’m talking to a group and I’m saying something truthful, I can feel a power that comes out of those statements that is different than when I’m just being glib or clever.

GG:
What’s that power? Is it the holy spirit? God?

OBAMA:
Well, I think it’s the power of the recognition of God, or the recognition of a larger truth that is being shared between me and an audience.

What an inflated ego, no surprise.

http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html


175 posted on 06/29/2008 11:11:27 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: maica
However, both papers are printed on a form that says in the lower left corner OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01) LASER

Uh, huh. But in the lower-right corner on both forms it says "[HRS 338-13(b), 33-19]". That's the same form number on both forms.

I was in the business form industry for over 30 years. When a form is changed its form number either changes to reflect revisions, or its revision date is changed; or both. So why would two forms, both showing a revision date of 11/01, with the same form number, have two different headings for the date it was filed/accepted by the Registrar? That heading change would indicate a change that should be reflected in a form number and/or revision date change. Both are absent here.

Both of these papers were printed in the Hawaii Vital Records Office after November 2001 as the result of a request for a birth certificate.

Are you still sure?

192 posted on 06/29/2008 6:01:33 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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