Posted on 06/28/2008 7:27:15 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
Hi unspun! We have that graphic with his head turning. Maybe I should make it spin like in the “Exorcist”, lol.
Think I see a ‘merchant ship’ in the distance....
Exactly....but I would not call Pastor Wright a Christian.
I am praying that the veil of disguise will be lifted from this charlatan so that EVERYONE with eyes to see and ears to hear - and even some who WILL not see nor HEAR - will know the truth about this fraud/cheat/liar/imposter.
Good to read your post...by the way.
I disagree with this. In fact, it seems that unless you are an alternative media buff, people have had no opportunity to hear that Obama was educated in a muslim school. The MSM certainly hasn't made this fact well known. It is merely assumed it is well known by people such as ourselves that peruse alternative media sources. You might be right that it is well known by most people, but imo, that's an assumption, not a fact. The MSM has been actively screening everything about this candidate's backround. The farthest they've gone was to show his "pastor" slamming every group in America, yet still insist that Obama is a "christian" because he's been a member of Wright's hate-filled "church" for 20 years. They seek to connect a long membership in that church to the attributes of being a practicing christian, which in itself stretches credulity. Labeling something 'christian' doesn't make it so, yet the media continue to parrot the line that he's a christian, and won't even touch on his muslim backround except to insist that he's a christian because he belongs to Wright's church. Is Bill Ayers an issue? Do you think most Americans have heard about him via the trusty MSM? What about his Rezko connection, or his teaching of Saul Alinsky's principles at Harvard? All these things are worthy of discussion as it relates to Obama, yet the media have nary mentioned any of them with any type of concerted investigatory gusto. Are we only to discuss the things that the MSM wants to discuss? Even on the energy issue, they are covering for him as best they can, insisting that "Big Oil" already has enough land to drill on, and that Obama is right. How many Americans know that argument is FOS?
"...I was thinking just before signing on to FR, that his Muslim background doesn't seem to bother most Americans even a little bit..."
Again though, I don't believe it's possible to know how many Americans have even heard the truth about his "muslim backround." They certainly haven't heard it from the MSM, unless it was to downplay it due to some pesky "rumors" floating around about it.
Despite it, and the fact that we are currently at war with terrorist Muslims, Obama has become the democratic nominee for president.
Yes, but he was selected by the DNC, not elected by the voters. Of course you're right that a certain segment of the population isn't going to care one way or the other, but it is the undecided voter that is being targeted by both campaigns, not the people that have already committed to each candidate. The real question is, how many undecided voters know of his muslim backround? If they're tuning into the MSM, they aren't going to hear the details of his childhood except as the MSM wants to spin it. If these undecided voters were to find out about his muslim backround, it could be an issue against him for many of them. Don't assume that just because lib-dems don't care, that they somehow speak for the undecided voter.
"...Therefore, the argument that he has a Muslim background and Muslim ties, has already proven to be a loser.
I disagree. It's been effectively squelched by the MSM, but the issue itself has not been determined to be a loser, especially among the undecided voter that has perhaps only heard that he's a christian.
If we continue to use it, it's going to bounce off Obama and stick to us.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. The people that have already decided it doesn't matter, and the people that have decided it does matter, have already made up their minds. The point could just as easily be made that if the undecided voters finally hear about Obama's muslim backround, then it could bounce back to him very negatively, since those are the people he needs to win. Of course, my argument is different than your argument, and is allowing for the possibility that the undecided voter has not heard much if anything at all about Obama's muslim backround. If I assume that most people have heard about it and disregard it as an issue, then I'd agree with your point, but I don't necessarily believe that to be the case.
The issues that will have better traction with the American people, are the ones that will hurt their pocketbooks. We'd be wise to exploit the current gas crises.
I agree, but I think the man should be cornered on all issues. Economic, national security, ideology, and anything else out there. I certainly don't see undecided voters saying "oh well, I was thinking of voting for McCain, until those GOP meanies decided to bring up Obama's muslim heritage, so now, I'm going to vote for Obama just to show them how mad I am at them for doing that." I don't see it being the "distraction" you do, but we're each entitled to our opinion. I can certainly see the angle you're coming from (most americans know about his past and don't care), I just don't necessarily agree with it. If you can show that most Americans (especially undecided voters) HAVE heard about his muslim backround, then I agree, it's pointless to continue to go after him on that issue. I don't think anyone can show that though. People are assuming it, just like many others are assuming that many Americans haven't heard about his muslim backround.
Obama a Muslim? Impossible.
Impossible, actually. To be a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Hindu for that matter, Obama would have to believe in a Power greater than himself. Which, in ObamaLand, would be heresy. Obama reminds me of a well-worn joke we tell around these parts, concerning three storied basketball coaches (one of whom often wore red sweaters). The three coaches end up before the Dreadful Judgement Seat of God. What makes the joke funny at the end is frightening when one puts Obama before the throne, proclaiming, “I am Barack Hussein Obama, and you are sitting in my seat.”
Rush had fun with this, too.
The above is an excerpt from my blog, as a disclaimer.
I am surrounded by some of the most average people you would ever want to meet. They know Obama has Muslim ties and it doesn't phase them a bit. Were he currently a practicing Muslim, it might be different. He isn't.
Thank you for the civil and thoughtful response. I don't get as many of those these days. : ) I am going to come back and read it more carefully and dissect it tomorrow.
You know, if those SOBs want to find hate and vitriol on the internet, they need go no further than the Daily KOS, the Huffington Post and DU.
Those sites each outnumber Free Republic 10-1 in the number of kooks. DU may outnumber us 100-1.
Oh, wait: those are liberal sites. So I guess they’re just “expressing themselves”.
I tell you, if Hussein occupies the Oval Office, there could be a crackdown on free expression that would make our forefathers shudder.
And you're wrong - Hussein's muslim background will effect how people will vote in Nov.
He's lying about being raised a muslim. And if he's so bold to lie about something which he has already admitted to in his first book by acknowledging that he studied the Koran when he was younger, then he is willing to lie about anything to get votes. He recited the Call to Prayer with a first rate accent, his family confirms he was raised muslim, yet he continues to LIE.
Hussein = Liar
And that's just one reason why people from all walks of life will refuse to vote for the Liar.
Your remark got me to thinking....the DNC is changing from Clintonics to Obamaicks. The real difference between the two is the amount of power the government will accrue.
That may be what they are after. To hell with what happens to our country, they want the power. Milton would love it.
How many AMERICANS, do you know, have the First, Second or Last name, Barack Hussein Obama?
Vote American!!! Say No to a change to ISLAM!!!
If you support Obama, then you are no smarter than a Pre-K!
How many AMERICANS, do you know, have the First, Second or Last name, Barack Hussein Obama?
Vote American!!! Say No to a change to ISLAM!!!
If you support Obama, then you are no smarter than a Pre-K!
LOL!
Yes, we cheer Obama who defeated the Clintons, yet the game is still afoot, eh?
We cheer Obama FOR defeating the Clintons. None of the Republicans were able to do it. Now we must defeat Obama, not only because he is a Marxist menace, but also to defeat the Clinton’s once and for all.
[”A first group of people published articles that created the basis for the attack. A second group recirculated the claims from those articles without ever having been asked to do so. No one coordinates the roles,” Allen said. In other words, even this Obama flak is unwittingly admitting that there really is no grand conspiracy here...]
Not exactly the way the “professionals” on the NY Times and Washingon Post operate, is it?
[”This kind of misinformation campaign short-circuits judgment. It also aggressively disregards the fundamental principle of free societies that one be able to debate one’s accusers.”]
So now Allen calls the uncoordinated discussion of ideas on the internet a “misinformation campaign”.
[”Who doesn’t know that those “unions and political action committees” of which Allen speaks are entities regulated by the Federal government? Who could easily miss that Allen must think that the Federal government should regulate political free speech on the Internet just as it does the political actions of PACS and unions?]
This is an understatement by the writer, if anything. Another government regulated medium whose political content people like Allen think should be regulated is the airwaves. These scumbags have already done a good job of restricting the flow of ideas on radio and TV (even the govt. subsidized PBS) without overt help from the Feds. Furthermore, when people with “liberal” opinions shout down or rough up speakers at universities whose opinions they don’t like, their Nazi tactics are defended by liberals as “protected free speech”.
The Washington Post is made of liberal white people whose sight has decreased so much that Obama should worry first about them. THe more retarded, the lesser the sight, the more racist, the more dangerous when things go wrong. So the little white boys of the Washington Compost ought to shut it if they want to live a nice retirement.
Obama counts on the nation’s short sightenedness to sneak in. He knows that counting on short sightedness builds up racism. Thus, if he wins, he will have to get protection from muslims and blacks and foreigners abroad, just like Mugabe got from South Africa.
MARK MY WORD: HE WILL WRECK AMERICA BEFORE A DUMMED DOWN AMERICA WRECKS HIM.
Hillary made that point clear when she and her husband racialy attacked him. He is not stupid.
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