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Wife slain at (Montclair, NJ) YMCA had restraining order
NorthJersey.com ^ | 06.26.08

Posted on 06/28/2008 11:02:15 AM PDT by Coleus

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To: misterrob

nj doesn’t kill murderers who shoot mothers to death in front of their children...


41 posted on 06/28/2008 5:12:39 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: wastedyears

Bless yer heart, shhhugar! Come set rat cheer by me! :)


42 posted on 06/28/2008 5:13:28 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: Coleus

restraining orders are bad jokes played on the defenseless who believe in them...


43 posted on 06/28/2008 5:14:28 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: misterrob
A gun wasn’t going to help her in this particular situation. Sometimes when someone wants you dead your time is going to be up.

The guy shot her and fled, and seems to have had a friend driving the getaway car. This indicates he was wanting to survive the incident.

He might have been sure he would have successfully shot her, but if NJ was a CCW state he could not have been sure that somebody else in the pool area would not have blown him away shortly thereafter, which would have complicated his plans

44 posted on 06/28/2008 5:18:52 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: tcostell

When was the last time that you were patted down by a cop?


45 posted on 06/28/2008 5:28:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: firewalk

I would also like to point his incident out as a cautionary tale to black women-ALL women,really.
Hey,you often see these flaws and homicidal tendencies in many of the men you date but you go ahead on anyway,despite your inner instincts that tell you to leave this fool alone.
Isn’t it better to be alive and alone than dead and”in a relationship”?


46 posted on 06/28/2008 5:36:53 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Coleus

“dial 911 and die” bump


47 posted on 06/28/2008 5:39:34 PM PDT by VOA
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To: B4Ranch
I wasn't padded down but I was searched about 3 weeks ago. The time before that was about a year ago.

This ain't Nevada.

48 posted on 06/28/2008 5:48:50 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: tcostell

I used to work in Richmond and North Richmond, California for a communications company. I carried a gun with me everyday of the week. I didn’t ask permission from any supervisors, elected officials, police officers or the County Sheriff. A couple of times young thugs looked at me to see if I would be a nice easy victim. Showing them my holstered revolver almost gave them instant heart attacks but it certainly opened their eyes to me being a victim. Only once did I get so worried that I actually grabbed the handgrip. That man also almost crapped himself when he realized I was grabbing a gun. He apologized and stepped back quickly, turned around and left the area.

Looking back I am positive thatover the years my actions kept other employees from being attacked. I am certain that word got spread around rapidly not to mess with them phone guys ‘cause them buggers carry guns tucked away under their jackets.

Now, one more thing. I don’t look like a punk or a thug. My hair isn’t long, I am not covered with tatoos and I don’t listen to rap music. I imagine this is part of the reason why I can sit next to a police officer at a coffee shop counter and enjoy a conversation during my meal with my revolver snug in it’s shoulder holster. I have never had an LEO frisk me for weapons, drugs or anything else. I just don’t look like the criminal type. Perhaps that is what gives me the confidence that I can carry without being molested by the cops.


49 posted on 06/28/2008 5:54:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Riverman94610
Isn’t it better to be alive and alone than dead and”in a relationship”?

This woman was trying to do exactly that...Be alive.

I know (& in some cases knew) women in this very same position.
Some of them are easier targets because they share children with these men.
Others are simply trying to work and are easy to get at because of their routines.

I'm sure many of the men who murder their wifes/ex-wives/girlfriends weren't wearing a mean look & a billboard that said 'RUN AWAY QUICKLY!!' when they first started dating...
50 posted on 06/28/2008 5:59:30 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: B4Ranch
I'm a white 45 year old portfolio manager for a hedge fund. I'm a littl old for it now, but when I was younger I definately had that "Opie Taylor" look about me.

If you take mass transit, or you go to a sporting event or concert, or get stopped at a DUI roadblock (which means drive after 11PM on a saturday night) or basically ever leave your house, you will get searched here eventually. Everyone does.

51 posted on 06/28/2008 6:04:35 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: TNCMAXQ
The brilliant people of NJ have seen fit to elect a governor and legislature that outlawed the death penalty.

This poor woman sure received the death penalty. The brutal savage can now go to jail and convert to Islam.

52 posted on 06/28/2008 6:06:59 PM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: tcostell

I think I would leave the state. Too much government for me to be comfortable.


53 posted on 06/28/2008 6:11:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Coleus

Restraining order or not, this @#$%$#@ was going to get her no matter what. What does it take to change the law? Having a public official be the victim?

But another thing is disturbing about this terrible shooting. The YMCA is a membership organization, but this man was able to roam at will. No one questioned him. With this sort of situation any pervert could prey on little kids there.

Just a few blocks away, (in the same town of Montslair) in a public library, a pervert from a nearby city lured a 12 year old into a bathroom and did his thing. He was caught, but even our libraries are unsafe.

Montclair is a fine town —— but!


54 posted on 06/28/2008 6:20:23 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: firewalk

Most abusive men give away their true hand fairly early on in the relationship.I know I am not privy to this particular situation but i have seen other instances where the woman had a chance to get out but stayed in because”I love him”


55 posted on 06/28/2008 6:24:36 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
Most abusive men give away their true hand fairly early on in the relationship.

maybe not most...
Many don't become truly violent until the woman attempts to leave.
Of course, like you I don't know the specifics of this case.

Regardless, it's not her fault that she's been murderered.

Worse still, the children will probably be forced to visit the murderer in prison...
56 posted on 06/28/2008 6:41:50 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: firewalk

murdered...


57 posted on 06/28/2008 6:42:39 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: firewalk

Can you force the kids to visit?I would hope not.
If dad murdered mom,all I can say is that I would no longer consider him my dad!


58 posted on 06/28/2008 6:55:55 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
Depending on who the judge is...yes
He still maintains his parental rights.
(until a court of law says otherwise)
59 posted on 06/28/2008 7:04:44 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Morgana
She should have had a moving van and no forwarding address.

In that case her husband may not have found her for a little while, but the marshals would have, eventually. Because if she fled the state with their child, she would be the criminal. A lot of women stick around and get shot or beaten to death because they can't just take the kid and run, or they'll be among those despised women who steal their own children from the kids' father; nor can they leave a beloved child with an insane ex-husband who might do them harm, as happened in Maryland a few months ago. So they stay. And every once in awhile they get killed.

60 posted on 06/28/2008 7:07:24 PM PDT by ottbmare
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