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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“If this is the main point of your argument, you are conflagurating two different issues. Gun ownership and crime. They are about the same as car ownership and crime. After all, many criminals use cars in the commission of their crimes also.”

No, the people on this board are conflagurating the two issues. I didn’t mention gun ownership first. I was trying to discuss the reasons why there is so much crime, and why it seems to be increasing.

“I as a citizen am not overly concerned with why a criminal does what he does.”

That’s an extraordinary statement. If you are a citizen you should be immensely interested in why crime is on the increase in your society. After all it indirectly affects you, even if you are never a victim of it. If crime increases the bills for the police, the justice system, the prison system etc all go up, which means ultimately your taxes go up (or they stay the same and the nation does without something else). If shoplifting goes up, then stores compensate by putting prices up, which affects you again. If robberies increase, then your insurance payments go up. Crime is very anti-social. Its very destructive.

“We have created a system in this country whereby people are taught in our schools and by our federal and state government’s actions that all people are entitled to free healthcare, pay without work etc.. and you ask why we have criminals? It’s because they have grown up in an environment where they are told they are entitled to things, that’s why!”

I agree that is certainly a big part of the problem. People think that the world owes them a living. When they discover it doesnt, the temptation there is just to take.

I would also put forward the kind of “get-rich quick” materialist mentality that we as a society are pushing. Why should people study hard, work hard, scrimp and save, when you can get far more money by picking six numbers at random in a lottery? Or acting like a complete jerk on some reality TV show? People have the attitude “Why should you have more than I have, its not fair!” To which the answer is “Because I worked hard for it, you waster!”


103 posted on 06/30/2008 9:53:14 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
"That’s an extraordinary statement. If you are a citizen you should be immensely interested in why crime is on the increase in your society."

You missed the point I was trying to make. If we as a society concentrated on arming ourselves so that we are not victims of crime and punish those harshly who commit crimes then we don't have to get into this naval gazing of why the criminal does what he does. That does not mean some type of re-creation of the movie Midnight Express. What it means is that the death penalty should be used properly. It means that if someone commits a crime with a gun they should automatically get years tacked on. In most cities, the gun charge is the first thing thrown out in the plea bargain!! I don't care to know the mind of violent criminals or child rapists. I just care that they are locked up never to prey upon the public again.

From how you talk, it appears that you are not an American citizen. If that is true, you probably have a distorted view of crime in America. Crime is no worse here than in places like Britian. The only difference is that over there, criminals use baseball bats and knives to carry out their crimes. I don't think it's a morally superior position to say that crime isn't as bad in Britian because their criminals just beat people to death instead of shooting them.
104 posted on 06/30/2008 11:21:30 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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