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Massachusetts Lawmaker's Pledge to 'Rip Apart' Child Rape Victims at Trial Draws Fury
foxnews.com ^ | June 25, 2008

Posted on 06/25/2008 1:20:59 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

A Massachusetts politician and defense attorney has touched off a firestorm with his shocking public vow to torment and "rip apart" child rape victims who take the witness stand if the state legislature passed stiff mandatory sentences for child sex offenders.

Rep. James Fagan, a Democrat, made the comments during debate last month on the state House floor.

"I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of young victims during his testimony on the bill. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they’re 8 years old, they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Fagan said as a defense attorney it would be his duty to do that in order to keep his clients free from a "mandatory sentence of those draconian proportions."

Fagan did not respond to repeated requests for comment from FOXNews.com.

His remarks drew the ire of local activists as well as colleagues.

“I thought his comments were over the top and unnecessary,” Massachusetts House Minority Leader Bradley Jones told FOXNews.com on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: childrape; jamesfagan
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1 posted on 06/25/2008 1:20:59 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Rep. James Fagan, a Democrat,...

That's all I need to know...he is probably doing it for the chiren'.

2 posted on 06/25/2008 1:23:52 PM PDT by frogjerk (Barry Hussein is Neville Chamberlain)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In the old days, the town would take care of vermin like this. Nowadays, they elect them to public office.


3 posted on 06/25/2008 1:23:55 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sounds like this puke Fagan looks forward to abusing children who were raped by his clients.

Definitely a sick puke.

4 posted on 06/25/2008 1:24:04 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: frogjerk

Watching TV this guy was really mouthing off about what he’d do in court. I’d say there’s a darned good chance this guy is already DOING IT TO THE CHILDREN.


5 posted on 06/25/2008 1:25:43 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I bet BOR will lead with this tonight. He’s been pushing hard for the adoption of Jessica’s Law.


6 posted on 06/25/2008 1:25:46 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Rush on McCain: "We're so screwed.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Fagan said as a defense attorney it would be his duty to do that in order to keep his clients free from a "mandatory sentence of those draconian proportions."

Fagan is absolutely right. This would be the unintended consequence of this law. Without the ability to deal down, defendants will have every incentive to defend themselves aggressively.

You can't blame Fagan for forseeing the obvious.

7 posted on 06/25/2008 1:26:24 PM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: muawiyah


"Would you like some candy, little boy?"

8 posted on 06/25/2008 1:26:35 PM PDT by library user
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There’s a special place in hell for this guy.


9 posted on 06/25/2008 1:26:44 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Free ThinkerNY; doug from upland
I think doug from upland has an interesting twist on this...
10 posted on 06/25/2008 1:27:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This guy should be disbarred.


11 posted on 06/25/2008 1:28:06 PM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

You know, over the years I have had beef with BOR over a lot of things, but when it comes to stuff like this he is the best person out there to get word to. I have to give credit where credit is due.


12 posted on 06/25/2008 1:28:38 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: muawiyah
Bit of a conflict of interest between his voting on this bill and working for clients directly affected? Wasn't he plainly representimg his clients more than his constituents?

And BTW you mean he doesn't currently use all legal ethical means to defend his clients, he will only get tough if the penalties are increased? I doubt child rape is a light offense to begin with, even in Massachussetts.

13 posted on 06/25/2008 1:30:06 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gotta love those whacky lawyers...after they have been skinned and their hide nailed to the barn.


14 posted on 06/25/2008 1:30:51 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (With McCain around we can proudly proclaim, WE ARE SO SCREWED)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

That tape was on BOR last night.


15 posted on 06/25/2008 1:36:35 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: FMBass

Disbarred and permanently confined to a psychiatric hospital.


16 posted on 06/25/2008 1:39:22 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Williams

He’s real tough on kids isn’t he?


17 posted on 06/25/2008 1:39:40 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Williams

He’s real tough on kids isn’t he?


18 posted on 06/25/2008 1:39:41 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How would attacking the child victim of a rapist on the stand go over with the jury? Would they be more inclined to convict Fagan’s client after that, or less?

I think this guy Fagan (perfect name for his line of work, by the way) is a liar as well as a sadist.


19 posted on 06/25/2008 1:49:15 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: gridlock
You're wrong about that!

In making this pronouncement, Rep. Fagan can't hide behind either the ethical duty of a defense attorney to his client, or the severity of the penalty imposed for the offense.

First, the duty of zealous defense pertains no matter the potential sentence. Instead, Fagen was espousing a cost/benefit strategy of intimidation and retribution against a witness in response to the severity of the potential punishment.

Second, he's admitting an ulterior, harmful purpose to questioning a witness in a court of law – not just a side effect of that questioning – other than eliciting relevant facts from a potential witness.

As to an ethics violation, in a criminal trial, the victim is a “third party” (i.e., it’s the state vs. defendant). From the rules of professional ethics:

RULE 4.4 RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF THIRD PERSONS

In representing a client, a lawyer shall not use means that have no substantial purpose other than to embarrass, delay, or burden a third person, or use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of such a person.

Comment

[1] Responsibility to a client requires a lawyer to subordinate the interests of others to those of the client, but that responsibility does not imply that a lawyer may disregard the rights of third persons. It is impractical to catalogue all such rights, but they include legal restrictions on methods of obtaining evidence from third persons.

Corresponding ABA Model Rule. Identical to Model Rule 4.4.

Corresponding Former Massachusetts Rule. DR 7-106 (C) (2); see also DR 1-102, 7-102(A).

20 posted on 06/25/2008 1:50:23 PM PDT by afortiori
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