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To: pissant

I’ve casually researched Obama’s birth history over the past several days. As you know it’s largely taken from his own auto-bio and has never been corroborated by anyone independently.

Here’s what I and others have found:

1. TWO HOSPITALS LISTED AS BEING WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN

I googled “Obama’s birthplace” and got the following:
From Wikipedia

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama )

Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kansas.

COMMENT:This is different from what other sites list including Obama friendly sites. They state that OBAMA was born at Queen’s Medical Center.

( see:http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/biography )

ALSO: Kapiolani Hospital did not open until 1989 although the Hospital for women and children was open at the time.

This discrepancy in my mind is interesting BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY.

2. NO RECORD OF BIRTH OR MARRIAGE OF PARENTS.

I searched via the pay investigative site Ancestry.com for Barry or Barack Obama, or Barry or Barack Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham etc. and keyed in also Aug 4, 1961 and Hawaii, and Honolulu etc. and came up with no record of a birth or marriage. Others have checked this through similar but different searches and also found nothing.

3. BIRTH CERTIFICATE CLEARLY A FORGERY

The Birth Certificate posted on the Obama website and Daily Kos appears to be a forgery.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034411/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034476/posts

and this posting of yours

http://beta.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2035307,1

4. NO EYE WITNESSES OF BIRTH

There have been no eye witnesses of Obama’s birth from the hospital. No nurse or doctor coming forth to recall caring for the mother or child.

5. KENYAN RELATIVES HAVE TOLD REPORTERS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA

It has been reported that Kenyan relatives initially had said that Obama was born there but are silent about this now.

Please see: http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-circumstances-review.html

6. GRANDMOTHER IS KEPT AWAY FROM MEDIA

The grandmother has been kept away from the MSM perhaps because she knows the truth about Obama’s birth and parents marital status.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034644/posts

This man is running for the presidency of the United States. It seems fair and proper that the public knows his birth history and pedigree.


49 posted on 06/24/2008 1:22:39 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: nikos1121

New York State birth certificates (at least mine) has the birth hospital listed.


65 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:04 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: nikos1121

Nikos...keep up the good work on this....it sure stinks of something...maybe bull shitte


74 posted on 06/24/2008 1:30:45 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: nikos1121
Re:
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-circumstances-review.html

6. Did Ann drop out of the University when she was pregnant? If so, for how long?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-2,00.html

Mrs. Barack H. Obama
Shortly before she moved to Hawaii, Stanley saw her first foreign film. Black Orpheus was an award-winning musical retelling of the myth of Orpheus, a tale of doomed love. The movie was considered exotic because it was filmed in Brazil, but it was written and directed by white Frenchmen. The result was sentimental and, to some modern eyes, patronizing. Years later Obama saw the film with his mother and thought about walking out. But looking at her in the theater, he glimpsed her 16-year-old self. “I suddenly realized,” he wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, “that the depiction of childlike blacks I was now seeing on the screen ... was what my mother had carried with her to Hawaii all those years before, a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different.”

By college, Stanley had started introducing herself as Ann. She met Barack Obama Sr. in a Russian-language class. He was one of the first Africans to attend the University of Hawaii and a focus of great curiosity. He spoke at church groups and was interviewed for several local-newspaper stories. “He had this magnetic personality,” remembers Neil Abercrombie, a member of Congress from Hawaii who was friends with Obama Sr. in college. “Everything was oratory from him, even the most commonplace observation.”

Obama ‘s father quickly drew a crowd of friends at the university. “We would drink beer, eat pizza and play records,” Abercrombie says. They talked about Vietnam and politics. “Everyone had an opinion about everything, and everyone was of the opinion that everyone wanted to hear their opinion — no one more so than Barack .”

The exception was Ann, the quiet young woman in the corner who began to hang out with Obama and his friends that fall. “She was scarcely out of high school. She was mostly kind of an observer,” says Abercrombie. Obama Sr.’s friends knew he was dating a white woman, but they made a point of treating it as a nonissue. This was Hawaii, after all, a place enamored of its reputation as a melting pot.

(snip)

When Ann told her parents about the African student at school, they invited him over for dinner. Her father didn't notice when his daughter reached out to hold the man's hand, according to Obama ‘s book. Her mother thought it best not to cause a scene. As Obama would write, “My mother was that girl with the movie of beautiful black people playing in her head.”

On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama ‘s parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. “Nobody was invited,” says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama . “I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?” Obama wonders. “I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more.”

Even by the standards of 1961, she was young to be married. At 18, she dropped out of college after one semester, according to University of Hawaii records. When her friends back in Washington heard the news, “we were very shocked,” says Box, her high school friend.

Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. “How can I refuse the best education?” he told Ann, according to Obama ‘s book.

Obama ‘s father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there — a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. “She was under no illusions,” says Abercrombie. “He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society.” Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing “grievous mental suffering” — the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.

(snip)

S. Ann Dunham Soetoro

When her son was almost 2, Ann returned to college. Money was tight. She collected food stamps and relied on her parents to help take care of young Barack. She would get her bachelor's degree four years later. In the meantime, she met another foreign student, Lolo Soetoro, at the University of Hawaii. ("It's where I send all my single girlfriends," jokes her daughter Soetoro-Ng, who also married a man she met there.) He was easygoing, happily devoting hours to playing chess with Ann's father and wrestling with her young son. Lolo proposed in 1967.

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217 posted on 06/24/2008 2:53:17 PM PDT by maggief
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