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To: Pravious

I’ve read posters theorize that the seal impression did not come through in the way it was scanned by Obama’s people. Doesn’t sound likely, but maybe.

I have yet to see any body explain why the ink of the datestamping bleeds through in both the Obama and Decosta scans but the signature block bleeds through the Decosta document but not the Obama one, except for my explanation—the Obama document does not have a signature block stamp on the back.

It’s a genuine document. It’s just not complete. Not signed via the signature block. And that lends support to the idea there is no certification impression either.

If the document is a complete forgery, I’ll congratulate the forger as having a remarkable talent to imitate the date stamping machine, but question his thoroughness.

Still, I guess it is a genuine document that bypassed usual procedures.


194 posted on 06/24/2008 2:25:41 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: Shermy
Still, I guess it is a genuine document that bypassed usual procedures.

Not according to this person who contacted the Hawaii State Department of Health:

*snip*

"We received confirmation from the Hawaii State Department of Health (HSDH) that:

1. Certified copies of birth certificates are NEVER sent electronically. Copies can be requested by qualified individuals in person, by mail, or on line; and the Vital Records (VR) office will MAIL the Certification of Live Birth within 4 to 6 weeks.

2. Certifications of Live Birth will ALWAYS include an embossed seal.

3. The Vital Records office will NEVER black out the certification number.

-snip-

Observations/Questions:

1. Both documents reference the same form, indicated in the lower left corner: “OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER,” likely meaning that this form was revised in Nov. 2001 for use with laser printers, AND therefore that both of these certifications theoretically would have been produced by the VR office in Nov. 2001 or later.

2. In the lower left section, Decosta’s document says “Date Accepted By State Registrar” and Obama’s says “Date Filed By Registrar.” If they were both produced on the same form, why is the language different?

3. Decosta’s “Certificate No.” in the upper right region is shown; Obama’s is blacked out with a clean-edged block. When was this done, by whom, and why would a birth certificate number be a secret? Again, this is never done by the HSDH.

4. Decosta’s shows an embossed seal in the lower center region; Obama’s has no embossed seal. Again, HSDH says certifications never leave the office without one.

5. Decosta’s shows a stamp with signature in the lower left region; Obama’s does not. Again, standard procedure?

6. Obama’s “father’s race” is shown as “African,” which many readers find odd given that it’s not descriptive for race. What was the term used on birth certificates in Hawaii in 1961 for an African American? "

*end snip*

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213 posted on 06/24/2008 2:44:48 PM PDT by Red Steel
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