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‘The Sky Is Not Falling’ – Yet
Concerned Women for America ^ | 6/18/08 | Robert Knight

Posted on 06/21/2008 12:44:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

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But gay activists are under no such illusions as to whether “gay marriage” will have social impact.

Of course they don't. Militant homosexualism doesn't really care about marriage for themselves, they seek to destroy the institution altogether for the rest of us.

1 posted on 06/21/2008 12:44:18 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/21/2008 12:45:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“Militant homosexualism doesn’t really care about marriage for themselves, they seek to destroy the institution altogether for the rest of us.”

Bingo. Although it’s ironic that the radical left relies upon a traditional family birthrate to produce the children (and the money) that the socialists need to institute their workers paradise.


3 posted on 06/21/2008 12:57:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: wagglebee
Its not marriage they're really after. Its to abolish the family and eliminate traditional values in our public life. Once you've done that, conservatism and religion both become histoire. The entire point is not to just win legal approbation for whatever Adam and Steve do behind closed doors.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 06/21/2008 1:06:04 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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““Militant homosexualism doesn’t really care about marriage for themselves, they seek to destroy the institution altogether for the rest of us.””

....I think the Mass. situation showed that not that many of them really got married....they didn’t want to be faithful to one person....they live for promiscuity....hense AIDS


5 posted on 06/21/2008 1:08:31 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: wagglebee
get education about homosexuality and AIDS into public schools
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Get education about homosexuality into the government schools! And...The Marxists and their Useful Idiots who completely control the government schools will help them!

Guess who else will **HELP** push forward the homosexual indoctrination? Answer: So-called timid, weak, spineless, clueless CHRISTIAN government teachers!

Surely the students **know** that the so-called Christian teachers are wimpy and/or greedy for a paycheck. So?...Would you want to join a church with fence sitting, stupid, and greedy people?

6 posted on 06/21/2008 1:09:23 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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Its to abolish the family and eliminate traditional values in our public life
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Please read post #6.

There are plenty of Christian government teachers who will willing help the homosexuals destroy America. ( And,...take a paycheck and pension for doing it.)


7 posted on 06/21/2008 1:13:34 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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...I think the Mass. situation showed that not that many of them really got married....they didn’t want to be faithful to one person....they live for promiscuity....hense AIDS

Exactly, they really don't want to be married, they just want to devalue the institution for everyone else.

8 posted on 06/21/2008 1:17:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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It isn't JUST marriage they want to destroy. It is the entire family unit, and all moral values. They do not believe in shame, in any way shape or form. And would force the rest of us to believe as they do. No government, court, or punishment, however, can change what people believe, what they know in their hearts and in their instincts to be true, OR who they have true Faith in. It just cannot happen. Try though they will.
9 posted on 06/21/2008 1:51:04 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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They can try, but they cannot change our hearts. They cannot MAKE us not be repulsed the by the images they thrust on to the tv screen, and on our city/town streets. Nor can they rewrite the Bible, or for that matter change the hearts of those who know the Bible. We may not rise up just yet, but we will shun them, and we will feel shame for them even if they don't for themselves. Part of the problem with believing you should feel no shame in life, ever, is that without it there is no pride in anything you do either. No matter how many parades they have to try and convince themselves otherwise. Even they will always know deep down, instinctively, that what they do is wrong. That is a lot the reason they try to force acceptance, and it never works, they remain depressed, empty, lacking, and in a lot of cases suicidal.
10 posted on 06/21/2008 1:58:32 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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wagglebee: “Exactly, they really don’t want to be married, they just want to devalue the institution for everyone else.”

I don’t think it’s correct to say what an entire group wants or doesn’t want. No doubt some of the homosexuals truly want marriage as well as the additional benefits that come with it. Others, possibly the majority, only see marriage as another stepping stone toward societal acceptance of all sorts of sexual deviancy.

Really this goes beyond just the homosexuals. Heterosexuals are also devaluing the institution of marriage. Easy divorce and rampant promiscuity/adultery are a social and moral ill. There can be no doubt that a monogamous, heterosexual, Christian relationship is by far best for society. Yet, many people rebel against God and the institutions He established to bless mankind.

Heterosexual, monogamous, Christian marriage is quite possibly the closest thing to heaven on earth. Marry well and stay true to your spouse, and you will likely live a truly blessed life. Even non-religious folks should be willing to admit society is far better when majorities live like Christians, even if they don’t believe in Christianity themselves.

As for the homosexuals, they are pretty much the ultimate rebels against God. Not only do they ignore God’s law, they also defy the very laws of nature. I believe there are some Bible verses to that extent—that homosexuality is a sin to God but it is also despised by mankind.

What once wisely covered up their shame in secret now professes it with pride. This should be no surprise to anyone who reads the Bible. Without God, there is no evil, NO evil, that man won’t do. When Bible prophecy says it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah in the end times, it WILL be like Sodom and Gomorrah. Anyone who is not familiar with the militant homosexuality in those two cities should read the Bible. That is where I believe we are ultimately heading.

However, my hope is we aren’t there yet. I pray Godly men and women still exist in sufficient numbers to resist the radical homosexuals.


11 posted on 06/21/2008 2:06:41 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Republican Who Will NOT Vote McCain!)
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I don’t think it’s correct to say what an entire group wants or doesn’t want.

I agree. I think there is a militant homosexual agenda that most homosexuals DO NOT subscribe to, just as most Democrats DO NOT hate America. But the left has clearly taken control of the homosexual movement and their agenda includes the total destruction of Judeo-Christian values.

12 posted on 06/21/2008 2:10:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I'll contend that the sky had fallen before same-sex "marriage" became the law of the land - all those preliminary softenings of laws and mores that had been the bedrock of stable society had already taken place long beforehand. California had everything-but domestic same-sex relationships recognized by the state before a one-judge margin advanced it for millions of people. Seldom does such a cataclysmic tragedy happen out of the blue - it is but a single leap in a slow disintegrative progression.

This is why we cannot give any ground, and, in fact, must take it back if this slow progression into degeneracy and anarchy is to be turned back. Sodomy laws will again have to be reinstated as constitutional at state levels. Stockholders in large companies will need to actually get involved and demand from Boards that homosexual-friendly policies be halted and reversed. Vocal opposition to corporate fawning over homo-culture needs to stop with the threat of organized, wide-spread boycotts. We cannot equivocate about whether to grant "civil-unions" in place of homo "marriage" because the former inevitably leads to the latter.

This sounds like a lot of work, more than many of us have had to do before in a culture that was based on Judeo-Christian mores. But now we are in a real battle, and the front line is not on our doorsteps, but in the most intimate rooms of our houses. Christians in this country have been recently persecuted through fines and humiliation just for refusing to provide Christian business services that promotes the homo-agenda, or who speak out in public against this perversity (those in Philadelphia have been jail and threatened with prison time to the glee of homo-activists.)

13 posted on 06/21/2008 2:17:44 PM PDT by fwdude (If marriage can mean anything, then marriage means nothing.)
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wagglebee: “But the left has clearly taken control of the homosexual movement and their agenda includes the total destruction of Judeo-Christian values.”

The radical left has not only taken over the homosexual movement, it’s taken over the Democrat Party. That is why I wanted to emphasize it isn’t just about the homosexuals. Western Europe is already post-Christian, and we are well on the way.

We might even be past the point where most conservatives support Christianity. Go back 30 years and most people backed essentially Christian principles (even if they were sinning on the side). Why? One, Americans were generally more moral back then, and two, most people realized Christianity was good for society even if they didn’t believe.

Getting back to the radical homosexual movement, they know Christianity is the greatest obstacle to normalizing their behavior. Plus, I agree they want far more than marriage. I think they (and many others) want to throw off anything that sheds light on their sin or restricts their freedom to do whatever they want.

Well, the homosexuals and fellow travelers on the road of sexual immorality already have the freedom to do pretty much whatever they want in private. That’s simply not good enough. They want to proudly parade their evil in public, and woe to anyone who tells them it’s evil. The first step is gay marriage, then it’s gay adoption, gay education, and speech codes. They won’t be satisfied until Christians are relegated to the closet. Evil will be called good and good will be called evil. Ring a bell?


14 posted on 06/21/2008 3:28:05 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Republican Who Will NOT Vote McCain!)
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Why is it that the two states that allow homo marriage had or have a republican gov?


15 posted on 06/21/2008 4:14:30 PM PDT by make no mistake
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Part of the problem with believing you should feel no shame in life, ever, is that without it there is no pride in anything you do either.

That is a very profound observation. They know something is wrong with them so they keep repeating the "gay pride" mantra. Healthy people do not feel a need to rant about "heterosexual pride" because they know they are not defective. And anyone but the most dissipated straight person would be ashamed to claim something like "adulterers' pride" or "porn addict's pride." But the very essence of "queerness" is to deny any sense of shame to the point of being pathological.

16 posted on 06/21/2008 4:15:41 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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“”They can try, but they cannot change our hearts. They cannot MAKE us not be repulsed the by the images they thrust on to the tv screen, and on our city/town streets.””

It is YOU the homosexuals are after, it is YOUR kids. Don’t you see this access to kids is the male homosexuals’ obsession. They know they can’t do to normal adults what they can do to kids. Judges are already handing out kids to these freaks sentencing the youth of tomorrow to a lifetime of the worst form of sexual abuse.


17 posted on 06/21/2008 5:00:59 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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"Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. ...We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society's view of reality."

For what purpose? What's the point here? What exactly is their view of reality? I just don't get. What do they want?

18 posted on 06/21/2008 5:57:00 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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I absolutely see that, yes. All I was saying was courts and laws cannot change what we think or know. Both will try, but they can't.

That said, children should be home schooled or in Christian schools, the public education system is interested only in perverting their minds, indoctrinating and recruiting. Public schools, (most) are criminally abusive. If I still had small children, I would make darn sure they never set foot in one.

We also need to make sure our states have Marriage Amendments and that they don't allow homosexuals to adopt. How is the question.

19 posted on 06/21/2008 6:07:13 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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“Although it’s ironic that the radical left relies upon a traditional family birthrate to produce the children (and the money) that the socialists need to institute their workers paradise.”

Was it Lenin that said that “when the time comes to hang the last capitalist, he will sell us the rope”.

Well, I’m afraid we’ve been selling a lot of rope lately!


20 posted on 06/22/2008 1:07:59 AM PDT by aquila48
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