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Was the Holocaust Inevitable? ( Patrick J. Buchanan )
townhall.com ^ | June 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:50 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: wardaddy

Since the invasion of Poland was basically a “Joint Venture” with both Germany and the Soviet Union participating after agreeing on which would control what territory beforehand, why did the British and French let the Reds slide while declaring War on Germany?


341 posted on 06/21/2008 12:03:00 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: sobieski

I meant to write “stubborn Poles,” as Pat calls them, not the “stubborn Jews.”


342 posted on 06/21/2008 12:06:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Isolationism and pacifism: the soft underbelly of American freedom.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You can only speculate yourself whether what I said would have happened, the same as I have done. You came at it from the perspective of Lee “betraying his state”. I see that as specious but I know that most southerners look at it that way. I would tend to look at it this way: he had more (misguided) regard for his state than for his country.
My point is this: if he was as great a general as nearly everybody seems to agree that he was, wouldn’t his casting his lot with the Union rather than his state have given the North even a greater advantage than it already had, thereby shortening the war? And had he remained true to the union instead of his state, most certainly Montgomery Meigs would have found another place to bury the war dead than on Lee’s property, no matter the length of the war.
Since none of that happened, things played out the way they did and we now have Arlington National Cemetery to appreciate. I’ve been there many times. If you haven’t, I hope you enjoy it should you ever have the opportunity.


343 posted on 06/21/2008 12:20:04 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: wardaddy

Within a month the Brits were in France. That’s how they lived up to their pact to support Poland? LoL!


344 posted on 06/21/2008 12:51:57 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: elhombrelibre

That’s an ignorant statement Those Democrats (like FDR) came to the defense of the USSR, recognized it, armed it, refused to fight it, suppported it, worked for its success.

Sorry.


345 posted on 06/21/2008 12:54:19 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: elhombrelibre

I guess you haven’t read the book. PJB notes that Chamberlain ignored Kristalnacht, Mein Kampf, etc when he said ‘peace in our times’. He notes that Munich gave time to arm and prepare to deal w/ Hitler. Rather, the British and Poles followed a fantasy foreign policy that led to a disasterous war, not least for the Jews and Poles

Read the book; it’s intersting.


346 posted on 06/21/2008 12:55:54 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: Borges

Yes, — but Pat doesn’t deny either.


347 posted on 06/21/2008 12:57:39 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: wtc911

It’s commonly accepted that the Final Solution was decided at Wannsee in 1942.


348 posted on 06/21/2008 1:00:56 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: sobieski

Okay, Pat is to Hitler what Jane Fonda was to Ho, then.


349 posted on 06/21/2008 1:02:22 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Isolationism and pacifism: the soft underbelly of American freedom.)
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To: trane250

Read the book It clearly underscores the violence and other affronts to the Jews However, that’s different from Genocide

If genocide were determined b/4 Wannsee (1942), why wasn’t it instituted in Germany starting in 1933?


350 posted on 06/21/2008 1:03:31 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: rmlew

Read the book; he goes over history back to the 19th c.


351 posted on 06/21/2008 1:04:40 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: elhombrelibre

He’s considereed an anti-semite b/c some Jews don’t like him.


352 posted on 06/21/2008 1:05:17 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: elhombrelibre

You overlooked Germany’s resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare against our ships. But Pat probably didn’t mind that they were killing Americans on ships and sink our cargo. After all, the Kaiser had to defend himself. And President Wilson, Pat would reason, was a Democrat, and in Pat’s mind possibly a Jew.

WOW! You are a mind-reader? What a talent. You are so smart.


353 posted on 06/21/2008 1:06:15 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: Peter Libra

Churchill was a gentleman? Tell it to the Irish.

And the Polish pilots originally were to be mechanics (read Zamoyski’s book), but the Brits didn’t have their own pilots, and certainly not experienced pilots

Pat’s book in part is to bring to life the real Churchill.


354 posted on 06/21/2008 1:09:36 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: sobieski
I know. But I am smart also because I don't go around defending a man - Pat - who defends the belligerent Kaiser or one of the worst mass murderers in history.
355 posted on 06/21/2008 1:10:03 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Isolationism and pacifism: the soft underbelly of American freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Dude: He says that Hitler is responsible for the Holocaust. He does not defend Hitler.

It’s that sort of willful ignorance that is concerning on the Right.


356 posted on 06/21/2008 1:12:39 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: sobieski
Yeah, some of those Jews are always picking on Buchanan; it's just not fair when he's so considerate of them, the “stubborn Poles” (as Buchanan calls them), and other victims of Hitler. Poor Pat's just using his procrustean theory of isolationism on the history of WWII to undermine the fools who think we were right to fight and win it, just as he's done his best to undermine the war on terror. And, once you get started defending Saddam and his sovereignty why not defend poor old Hitler. Poor Pat.
357 posted on 06/21/2008 1:16:32 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Isolationism and pacifism: the soft underbelly of American freedom.)
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To: SJackson
No he wasn't, John Demjanjuk was irrefutably an SS guard at several camps, but probably not Ivan the Terrible. He entered the US illegally, and was stripped of his citizenship a second time after being returned. He's currently awaiting deportation, if anyone will have him.

That's like saying we captured Osama, and then the guy turns out to be his goat herder.

358 posted on 06/21/2008 1:16:58 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I support the San Fran tiger.)
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To: sobieski

Oh, did he put that in a foot note?


359 posted on 06/21/2008 1:18:24 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Isolationism and pacifism: the soft underbelly of American freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre

He dedicates the book to 4 uncles who were in the fight.


360 posted on 06/21/2008 1:19:28 PM PDT by sobieski
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