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As more women enter scientific fields, their numbers in computer science are declining
MinnPost ^ | 18 June 2008 | Anne Brataas

Posted on 06/18/2008 3:50:43 PM PDT by shrinkermd

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No Satisfactory explanation given.
1 posted on 06/18/2008 3:50:48 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Slings and Arrows

Self-ping.


2 posted on 06/18/2008 3:52:27 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: shrinkermd
No Satisfactory explanation given.

Why spend four tough years getting a comp sci degree when you will subsequently spend your career sweating out whether you job will get outsourced to Botswana some day?

3 posted on 06/18/2008 3:57:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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Psh. Yes, this is a problem, but it's only one aspect of a much larger problem: Computer Science undergraduate enrollment on the whole has declined by half since the early years of this decade, no thanks to the popular myth that everything in the computing field is being outsourced.

My colleagues who graduated here with a Computer Science undergraduate degree within the last two years all had multiple job offers each, with salaries of no less than $60,000. Several are now making well over $70,000 two years after graduation.

4 posted on 06/18/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: shrinkermd

The president of Harvard got fired for discussing possible reasons for fewer women being in some scientific fields. Some subjects are taboo subjects, and this is one of them. There is no explanation that will pass through the political correctness filter; no explanation that will satisfy the grievance lobbies which are allegedly so concerned about these types of subjects. As long as everyone has the opportunity to major in their fields of interest in college, and has opportunities in the job market in their chosen fields, the under-representation of certain groups in certain fields of endeavor should not be of concern.


5 posted on 06/18/2008 4:01:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Why spend four tough years getting a comp sci degree when you will subsequently spend your career sweating out whether you job will get outsourced to Botswana some day?

For starters, the job outsourcing is nowhere nearly as bad as you may believe. And, seriously, no degree will guarantee lifetime employment. You must continue growing, learning, and adapting...such is life in a global society.

That said, with the presently charged political atmosphere and the high probability of soaking the "wealthy" (unfortunately, productive Computer Science graduates making $60K+ annually are "wealthy" according to the U.S. government)...I can understand why folks would only chase the light, easy majors.

6 posted on 06/18/2008 4:02:00 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: shrinkermd

I run a series of computer labs at a university(about 600 systems total) and we only have two women out of a staff of about 14 in the IT department that supports the labs. However, most of the graphics and web designers in our building and on campus are women. Go figure.


7 posted on 06/18/2008 4:02:41 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: shrinkermd

As someone who works in the God-forsaken field of computing, might I suggest that women possibly just have better opportunities in other fields that provide better pay, better working conditions, and more job security?


8 posted on 06/18/2008 4:03:54 PM PDT by devere
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"colleagues"

My wife's son-in-law graduated in comp science one year ago. He was deluged with offers. He took one, tired of it (too far from his kin and friends) despite the good working conditions, and quit. The first firm he interviewed for in the city he wanted to work in hired him the same day. And asked him to tell his comp science friends to come in for interviews. I would say that if you're good at comp science, you have an excellent chance of getting a good job.

9 posted on 06/18/2008 4:04:17 PM PDT by driftless2
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"Computer Science undergraduate enrollment on the whole has declined by half since the early years of this decade, no thanks to the popular myth that everything in the computing field is being outsourced. My colleagues who graduated here with a Computer Science undergraduate degree within the last two years all had multiple job offers each, with salaries of no less than $60,000. Several are now making well over $70,000 two years after graduation."

I got my BSc Computer Science in 1997 and there weren't many women even back then. As for your above statement much of that is true and some isn't. BMC Software had a huge campus in Houston and within 2 years it vanished as they moved shop over to India. I on the other hand remained in the energy industry where software is very proprietary and usually used for in-house research and make a nice 6 figure salary.

Commercial software development is the most likely to get off-shored/outsourced.

10 posted on 06/18/2008 4:06:44 PM PDT by avacado
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At a time when women are swelling enrollments in many other university departments, computer science is conspicuous for its lack of female students.

The women don't want to move to India to find work.

11 posted on 06/18/2008 4:08:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: "America is the greatest country on earth, help me change America.")
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To: shrinkermd

I would say that it’s rare to find an American woman in IT, must of the women you’ll find in IT are Indian.


12 posted on 06/18/2008 4:09:06 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: ShadowAce

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13 posted on 06/18/2008 4:09:17 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: shrinkermd
No Satisfactory explanation given.

How about: no good prospect of finding an IT job in the US.

14 posted on 06/18/2008 4:10:49 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: shrinkermd

Why bother? The jobs are being offshored to India. Long way to move for a job that is run by a stateside company.


15 posted on 06/18/2008 4:11:29 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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16 posted on 06/18/2008 4:13:48 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: shrinkermd
so what... who cares why??? there's no quota.
17 posted on 06/18/2008 4:14:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©® - CTHULHU/SHOGGOTH '08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: shrinkermd

Does it really matter? Nobody is stopping women from pursuing computer science degrees. Maybe men and women have different interests.


18 posted on 06/18/2008 4:20:18 PM PDT by Neoncon (I am disrespectful to Socialism! Can you see I am serious?)
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To: shrinkermd
No Satisfactory explanation given.

Lets face it, chick are not attracted to a field dominated by overweight, pimple faces, living in their mothers basement, techno dweebs. That aside, its a boring subject that few [other than the above mentioned techno dweebs] are interested in.

I don't see anyone complaining about the disproportionately hight numbers of women enrolled in psychology programs. These people need to get over them selves and just accept the fact that some fields attract more men, and others more women.

19 posted on 06/18/2008 4:20:56 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Proud to be one of the 10% not rallying around McCain)
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To: shrinkermd
Hooray! More women in Science! Send more women! Especially ones that look cute in a lab coat and glasses.

“She blinded me with Science!”

20 posted on 06/18/2008 4:21:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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