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To: AndyJackson

I haven’t served but I still understand more than you.
Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, John Murtha, and many others served and look at what idiots they are.
Reagan, FDR, and others never served and look at how real they were.
You served, good for you, you still are paranoid and it affects your reasoning.


177 posted on 06/16/2008 3:23:47 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree; dennisw
I haven’t served ...John Murtha..you still are paranoid .....

Well, my son, let those who are more experienced explain the facts of life in the military to you. You recall,I pointed out that it was the Secretary of the Navy who issued an order turning the Guantanamo DTA proceedings into a kangaroo Court.

Well, it is the same pork-seeking suit of a Secratary of the Navy who is front and center in the Haditha motion to dismiss for command influence. You can read all the facts in Col. Chessani's Motion to Dismiss. The same Secretary of the Navy is so busy trying to get pork for Northrop, his former employer (bio) out of Murtha's committee that he would dishonor these marines (follow the dots: Murtha - pork - former Northrop official Secretary of the Navy - Unlawful Command Influence in Haditha).

According to Kennedy's Guantanamo opinion, p 37-38, it was this same Secretary of the Navy whose implementing regulations messed up the DTA process so badly that it failed to meet minimum legal standards.

the procedural protections afforded to the detainees in the CSRT hearings are far more limited, and, we conclude, fall well short of the procedures and adversarial mechanisms that would eliminate the need for habeas corpus review. Although the detainee is assigned a “Personal Representative” to assist him during CSRT proceedings, the Secretary of the Navy’s memorandum makes clear that person is not the detainee’s lawyer or even his “advocate.” See App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 06– 1196, at 155, 172. The Government’s evidence is accorded a presumption of validity. Id., at 159. The detainee is allowed to present “reasonably available” evidence, id., at 155, but his ability to rebut the Government’s evidence against him is limited by the circumstances of his confinement and his lack of counsel at this stage.

I hope it is finally clear that it is this spinless pork-seeking suit of a Secretary of the Navy who screwed up Haditha and who screwed up Guantanamo, and not just my paranoia that is drawing the line between the two.

178 posted on 06/16/2008 10:46:50 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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