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Many historians see little chance for McCain
Yahoo Politico ^ | 06/15/08 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 06/15/2008 7:11:48 AM PDT by BerniesFriend

Many historians see little chance for McCain

David Paul Kuhn

One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.

Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

“This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.

“McCain shouldn’t win it,” said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain’s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.

“It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,” added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model — which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating — gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 — both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. “It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,” Abramowitz said.

What’s more, Republicans have held the presidency for all but 12 years since the South became solidly Republican in the realignment of 1968 — which is among the longest runs with one party dominating in American history. “These things go in cycles,” said presidential historian Robert Dallek, a professor at the University of California at Los Angeles. “The public gets tired of one approach to politics. There is always a measure of optimism in this country, so they turn to the other party.”

That desire for change also tends to manifest itself at the end of a president’s second term. Only twice in the 20th century has a party won a third consecutive term in the White House, most recently in 1988, when George H.W. Bush replaced the term-limited Ronald Reagan, who was about twice as popular in the last year of his presidency as President George W. Bush is now.

But the biggest obstacle in McCain’s path may be running in the same party as the most unpopular president America has had since at least the advent of modern polling. Only Harry Truman and Nixon — both of whom were dogged by unpopular wars abroad and political scandals at home — have been nearly as unpopular in their last year in office, and both men’s parties lost the presidency in the following election.

Though the Democratic-controlled Congress is nearly as unpopular as the president, Lichtman says the Democrats’ 2006 midterm wins resemble the midterm congressional gains of the out-party in 1966 and 1974, which both preceded a retaking of the White House two years later.

One of the few bright spots historians noted is that the public generally does not view McCain as a traditional Republican. And, as Republicans frequently point out, McCain is not an incumbent.

“Open-seat elections are somewhat different, so the referendum aspect is somewhat muted,” said James Campbell, a professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo who specializes in campaigns and elections.

“McCain would be in much better shape if Bush’s approval rating were at 45 to 50 percent,” Campbell continued. “But the history is that in-party candidates are not penalized or rewarded to the same degree as incumbents.”

Campbell still casts McCain as the underdog. But he said McCain might have more appeal to moderates than Obama if the electorate decides McCain is “center right” while Obama is “far left.” Democrats have been repeatedly undone when their nominee was viewed as too liberal, and even as polls show a rise in the number of self-identified Democrats, there has been no corresponding increase in the number of self-identified liberals.

Campbell also notes that McCain may benefit from the Democratic divisions that were on display in the primary, as Republicans did in 1968, when George Wallace took the electoral votes of several Deep South states that could have given Humphrey a victory over Nixon. Democrats benefited from similar Republican divisions in 1976, when Ronald Reagan battled Gerald Ford all the way to the party’s nominating convention.

Still, many historians remain extremely skeptical about McCain’s prospects. “I can’t think of an upset where the underdog faced quite the odds that McCain faces in this election,” said Sidney Milkis, a professor of presidential politics at the University of Virginia. Even "Truman didn’t face as difficult a political context as McCain.”


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KEYWORDS: 2008; election; electionpresident; historians; issues; mccain; stupid
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To: BerniesFriend

Without regard to the outcome, I’d say to these historians, that no time in history have we ever had an election year such as this to compare to. When in history did we have a black socialist who beat a female socialist for the nomination to run against a liberal Republican?


21 posted on 06/15/2008 7:29:41 AM PDT by umgud
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To: BunnySlippers

Obama will want debates that do not point out the printed record because any pointing to the real and true facts is an “attack”.
He wants a clean campaign, complete with cupcakes and napkins.


22 posted on 06/15/2008 7:31:59 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: BerniesFriend
"That desire for change also tends to manifest itself at the end of a president’s second term."

If the desire for change is so strong why do 94% of Incumbents win reelection?

23 posted on 06/15/2008 7:32:02 AM PDT by NoLibZone (When Shall We Have The Courage Our Founders Had? It's Time For The 2nd American Revolution.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I want lots of debates, too.

And not just those two Democrats pathetically going after each other.

I want a Conservative or Conservatives who are qualified on 50 state ballots, to also get into the debates, and through that sucker wide open for the American People to decide.

24 posted on 06/15/2008 7:32:20 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo ("President-elect" McCain Will Announce His Cabinet Bit-by-Bit To The Disbelieving Groans of FREEPERS)
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To: BerniesFriend
One historian probably mentioned that if you look at the post Marxist Genghis Khan era, McCain would never had a chance and with the flying monkeys as Mongolian commissars in Ozymandias, well... where do these profs get their drugs!
25 posted on 06/15/2008 7:32:27 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: BerniesFriend

These eggeheads probably also predicted a year ago that Hillary would be our next President.


26 posted on 06/15/2008 7:33:57 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: BerniesFriend

Obama has to be considered the prohibitive favorite. That is just the reality. And because the Stupid Party has nominated its maverick as its standard bearer, issues like immigration, global warming legislation, and obtaining greater access to domestic energy sources are off of the table. Obama and McCain have similar stands on these issues.


27 posted on 06/15/2008 7:34:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BerniesFriend

Obama has to be considered the prohibitive favorite. That is just the reality. And because the Stupid Party has nominated its maverick as its standard bearer, issues like immigration, global warming legislation, and obtaining greater access to domestic energy sources are off of the table. Obama and McCain have similar stands on these issues.


28 posted on 06/15/2008 7:35:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BerniesFriend

Obama has to be considered the prohibitive favorite. That is just the reality. And because the Stupid Party has nominated its maverick as its standard bearer, issues like immigration, global warming legislation, and obtaining greater access to domestic energy sources are off of the table. Obama and McCain have similar stands on these issues.


29 posted on 06/15/2008 7:35:21 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BerniesFriend
This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman

Allan Lichtman recently published a history of the conservative movement entitled White Protestant Nation (Atlantic Monthly Press, 2008). While I haven't had time to read the book, I have looked it over, and it seems to have been well-researched. However, Lichtman seems to be arguing that conservatism is essentially a white Protestant movement, a thesis with which most conservatives would vehemently disagree.

30 posted on 06/15/2008 7:36:37 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: BerniesFriend

This interested me as strange. I heard a liberal so called psychic pronounce with absolute certainty that Romney will be president....yes recently. Of course he also predicted that the Stanley Cup winner would have something to do with M. C. hmmmmmmm motor city?


31 posted on 06/15/2008 7:37:19 AM PDT by badpacifist (Personal attacks on someones opinion of a "news article" you happened to post is asinine.)
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To: Huskrrrr
These eggeheads probably also predicted a year ago that Hillary would be our next President.

What makes you think she won't? ;)

Technicalities like losing elections never stopped the Clintons. I have a feeling she has a hand in all of these new criticisms of Obama which are now starting to surface.

32 posted on 06/15/2008 7:37:44 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: BerniesFriend

Each historian has one vote.


33 posted on 06/15/2008 7:37:51 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: kabar
Obama has to be considered the prohibitive favorite.

What world are you in? Obama may be the weakest presidential candidate in history.
34 posted on 06/15/2008 7:38:22 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: BerniesFriend

Sen. McCain may have little chance, but it has nothing to do with history. The bigger problem facing Sen. McCain is the lack of enthusiasm for him or his campaign.

I live in a “red” area. So far, I’ve seen a grand total of two McCain bumperstickers and no lawn signs. Contrast that with the dozens of Obama stickers and lawn signs. That does not bode well for Sen. McCain.

This article, on the other hand, is pure agitprop.


35 posted on 06/15/2008 7:38:53 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Carley; unixfox; FMBass; Bringbackthedraft; EagleUSA

Being a conservative doesn’t mean that one must put on the blinders.

McQueeg is greatly disliked by almost all conservatives whether traditional or otherwise. He has dissed us repeatedly, he has trounced the 1st Amendment, his proclaimed “national security” credentials are totally negated by his wish to provide 20++ million unknown and unknowable illegals with official United States identity credentials (and remember that “Z Visa” was never limited to Mexicans, it could have gone to ANY person of any nationality or ethnicity who claims illegal status in the USA).

No, this McQueeg joker didn’t earn his stripes from the hard and earnest work of a Republican leader, he won them by taking outrageous ideological positions, by thmbing his nose at other Republicans, and by doing just about anything to enhance his “maverick” status.

As a Democrat McQueeg is unexceptional. As a “conservative Republican” he has easily gained his fitting nicknames “McQueeg”, “McCrazy”, and “McInsane”.

There’s no point in flaming me or anyone else who plainly sees and accepts that McQueeg is no better and perhaps a great deal worse than the alternatives.

A few more assaults on the Constitution, legalizing 20++ million unknown criminals and security impostors, appointing another Souter (just to poke us in the eye with a sharp stock).... these are all very real possibilities with this man.


36 posted on 06/15/2008 7:39:01 AM PDT by angkor (The Elephant In The Conservative/GOP Living Room isn't RINOs, it's The Religionists.)
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To: BerniesFriend; All

It never ceases to amaze me the gullibility of the American and the willingness to be flim-flammed. The so-called “wisdom of the American electorate” is little more than the MSM rubbing the belly to watch the back leg move.
That being said, I also believe most Americans have experienced Affirmative Action and instinctively recoil from it. Obwana is the Affirmative Action candidate.


37 posted on 06/15/2008 7:40:54 AM PDT by britt reed (What if the Founding Fathers had "just stayed home"?)
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To: All

History? Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, all liberal all losers. That is enough history to tell me McCain will win.


38 posted on 06/15/2008 7:40:55 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: BerniesFriend
Since 1860 three-quarters of the Presidents have been Republican. There have been only two Democrats who won significant victories, FDR because of the depression, and LBJ because of sympathy over Kennedy's death. Most Democrats barely get fifty-percent of the vote and only serve one term. Then there are those who like Clinton and Wilson who only won their first election because a third party split the vote enough that they won a plurality, these are the only Democrats to serve two consecutive terms. The Presidency is a Republican institution and Democrats need a major upheaval in America or assistance from a third party to win. We don't have the major upheaval this time, even Watergate barely allowed Carter to win.
39 posted on 06/15/2008 7:43:08 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: BerniesFriend

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

40 posted on 06/15/2008 7:43:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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