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Amazing Teacher Facts [Teachers without education degrees are better than teachers with them.]
Wall St. Journal ^ | June 14, 2008

Posted on 06/15/2008 6:48:56 AM PDT by grundle

This month 3,700 recent college grads will begin Teach for America's five-week boot camp, before heading off for two-year stints at the nation's worst public schools.

Teach for America offers smart young people something even better than money – the chance to avoid the vast education bureaucracy. Participants need only pass academic muster and attend the summer training before entering a classroom. If they took the traditional route into teaching, they would have to endure years of "education" courses to be certified.

On average, high school students taught by TFA corps members performed significantly better on state-required end-of-course exams, especially in math and science, than peers taught by far more experienced instructors. The TFA teachers' effect on student achievement in core classroom subjects was nearly three times the effect of teachers with three or more years of experience.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: educashun; education; highereducation; jobs; learning; nea; publicscrewels; teaching
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This is a very successful program. So naturally, the teachers unions are opposed to it.
1 posted on 06/15/2008 6:48:56 AM PDT by grundle
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I thot I would die of tedium in the Ed classes. As soon as I could, I went to the state dept of ed and circumvented the requirements.

Of course the unions hate this. The kids probably are not PROGRAMMED.


2 posted on 06/15/2008 6:50:53 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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You'd think they would have figured this out with all the home schoolers winning the academic competitions.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

3 posted on 06/15/2008 6:51:08 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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YES! Less contact with the useless eggheads in the “higher ed” pads, the better.,.Life is learning... NEA is a bunch of overeducated dopes making a lot of money..most are lib suck-ups..


4 posted on 06/15/2008 7:00:38 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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“...It seems that Teach for America offers smart young people something even better than money – the chance to avoid the vast education bureaucracy. Participants need only pass academic muster and attend the summer training before entering a classroom. If they took the traditional route into teaching, they would have to endure years of “education” courses to be certified...”

So remove the Bureaucracy and merely educated people can teach better then even the System groomed ones?

How many times must that particular lesson by taught over and over again?


5 posted on 06/15/2008 7:00:45 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ The Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
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YES! Less contact with the useless eggheads in the “higher ed” pads, the better.,.Life is learning... NEA is a bunch of overeducated dopes making a lot of money..most are lib suck-ups..


6 posted on 06/15/2008 7:00:45 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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The strong performance in math and science seems to confirm that the more specialized the knowledge, the more important it is that teachers be well versed in it.

This is why AP courses taught by high school teachers in a government school are **NOT** the same as courses taught by professors in a college and university setting with college students in the class.

7 posted on 06/15/2008 7:01:51 AM PDT by wintertime (A mother is as happy as her least successful child.)
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NEA is a bunch of overeducated dopes making a lot of money..most are lib suck-ups..
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There SAT and GRE scores are the lowest on campus. I wouldn't call that being “overeducated”. Actually, just the opposite is likely the truth. It is either that or they are just not as smart as others on campus.

8 posted on 06/15/2008 7:03:55 AM PDT by wintertime (A mother is as happy as her least successful child.)
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Considering Obamania, there must be a lot of programmed youngsters ready to sell their freedoms to the nanny state and the socialists.


9 posted on 06/15/2008 7:04:36 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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I do not know of one person who became a teacher for the money. The unions and the government should turn them loose, let them make the rules of their classrooms and give them the power to boot out troublemakers.

Make Schools schools again. Make teachers teachers again.


10 posted on 06/15/2008 7:05:30 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Free the Refineries! - H.R. 2279 Must Become Law!)
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Unfortunately, the only lasting effect of this will likely be opening the eyes of newly graduated liberals to the reality of socialism run amok.


11 posted on 06/15/2008 7:07:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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More room for teaching and less room of socialist indoctrination.


12 posted on 06/15/2008 7:09:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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If you go back prior to the 1930s....I would make a guess that the nations schools were made up of 95 percent non-degreed folks. My aunt spent a year in the early 40s at some teaching junior college in Tennessee and got a certificate to teach (no bachelor degree). This entire mess of a four-year degree, and then later a teaching degree....didn’t really get established until the 1950s....and bloomed big-time in the 1980s.

The troops-to-teachers program...which takes GI’s who have a bachelors degree and brings them to schools in need....has been a major success. These guys bring in discipline and establish control in a class. The unions were very negative when this started...but most teachers will tell you that this is making an impact at schools across the US.

Education degrees really don’t mean anything...except to the union. This prevents regular degreed guys from being teachers...thats all it does.


13 posted on 06/15/2008 7:10:05 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Of course, the liberal leftist academia has not had the opportunity to brainwash and indoctrinate these non-degreed teachers....they actually might teach math, reading, writing and American history. Real American history, and not bash Americanism....


14 posted on 06/15/2008 7:11:44 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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bttt


15 posted on 06/15/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by groanup (Most of my cliche's aren't original.)
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Clearly congress will have to act. Such a program represents a real and present danger to the necessary indoctrination of Americas youth to the indispensible role which government must play in every activity of daily life. Why, they might grow up as Obamas worst nightmare, clutching guns and religion and wanting Mexicans to stay in Mexico. End the program now and SAVE our youth!


16 posted on 06/15/2008 7:21:01 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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This is why AP courses taught by high school teachers in a government school are **NOT** the same as courses taught by professors in a college and university setting with college students in the class.

Oh, boy, you have that right! I steadfastly refuse to institute a program of AP Chemistry in my school, because I know what college chemistry entails -- and AP is not even close. With all the moronic interruptions for high school "activities," and with lab time interposed on lecture time, and with a truncated school year due to standardized AP test dates in May...How can anyone remotely consider this equivalent to college chemistry?

17 posted on 06/15/2008 7:22:43 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: wintertime; rusureitflies?

Overschooled and undereducated.


18 posted on 06/15/2008 7:24:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Hillary to Obama: Arkancide happens.)
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To: grundle

In states such as New York where unions control everything, “degrees” are indoctrination classes, so anyone wanting a job must go through them.


19 posted on 06/15/2008 7:26:52 AM PDT by PGR88
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What AP is good for is fulfilling the graduation requirements for non-majors.

It also does give the kid a jump-start on the college course. They've been introduced to the concepts and have some basic information under their belts.

My daughter did quite well on her APs - the upside was that her 5 in Calculus fulfilled her math requirement, and her 5s in English and English Lit fulfilled THAT requirement, so she could go ahead and concentrate on her major, Biology. She also got a 5 on the biology AP, but it's only counted for non-majors. Her 5 in chemistry isn't any use either, she had to take the 300 level for her major. And since she only got 4s on History and American History, she couldn't count those and had to take a couple of history courses. But she'll get a Religion minor out of that. I told her she could argue both sides of the evolution question with herself . . .

20 posted on 06/15/2008 7:30:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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