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McCain and the Bitter Conservatives
American Thinker ^ | June 15, 2008 | Andrew Sumereau

Posted on 06/15/2008 12:57:09 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Luke21

I think he meant Ward Churchill.


141 posted on 06/15/2008 8:14:14 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Dick Vomer

> I guess that’s why they’ve just got doctors lining up to work there.... right?

Nope. They are in high demand in the US because Kiwi doctors and nurses are very well trained to a very high standard and thus demand a very high salary, in US dollars, relative to what they earn here.

And when they leave medical school (usually the University of Otago) they have high student loans.

So, they go either to the US or to the UK, work for a few years, earn lots of your US currency, come back to New Zealand, pay off their loans, buy a house, and live well in an amazing lifestyle that you in the US can only dream about.

In New Zealand it is called “The Big OE”, for “Overseas Experience”. Kids tend to take their OE either just before or just after University. It’s a tradition of ours: we like it that way.

> New Zealand is where all the richest people fly to for there cancer treatment, transplants, rehabilitative medicine, prosthetic technology, gene therapy....

We certainly get our share of overseas patients. Here, a US buck buys you alot more than it does over there.

And our Sports Medicine is certainly superior to what you get in the US. Guess why? It’s because New Zealanders on average play more sports than you do! Rougher sports where injuries are more common. That’s right: we spend less time on the couch watching TV, and more time running around on sports fields, than you lot do. Even our fat guys!

For example: you want a knee reconstruction? Used to be you went to Ireland for that: their surgeons specialized in knees due to knee-cappings. Now, you come here: we like Irish surgeons because they’ve come here to reconstruct our Rugby players’ knees. And we all play rugby. I’ve had my knee done here. Badly wrecked, but fixed good as new, walking normally same day as the surgery.

Hip replacements? My in-laws have each had two: one for each side.

Separated shoulder? I did mine last year, by accident (judo). ACC covered the lot, including therapy and accupuncture. Cost me not a cent.

Slashed open my right shin 1” deep earlier this year, again by accident. Again, not a cent out of my pocket, and 4 months later I can just barely see the scar. Not bad!

Like I said, you’d be really lucky to have a great Socialized medical system like what we have.


142 posted on 06/15/2008 8:14:20 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: neverdem
Another version of he is a $astard but he is our $astard. Well he is not ours - never has been never will be.

HE LEFT MEN IN THE FIELD!! Unforgivable.

143 posted on 06/15/2008 8:16:56 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: roamer_1
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144 posted on 06/15/2008 8:20:00 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: neverdem

John McCain is clearly the preferable option for conservative voters come November. Although liberal in his views toward immigration, government intrusion in free speech, environmental issues, campaign finance reform, health care, education mandates, and a host of other issues that run contrary to conservative orthodoxy


I bet the author has no idea how stupid he sounds in the first paragraph.


145 posted on 06/15/2008 8:21:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (John McCain, Soc. Arizona)
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To: neverdem

“McCain is in a fight against the manufactured illusions of “hope” and history. He needs every vote he can manage”

Wow. Perhaps he shouldn’t have spent the last decade kicking us in the ba!!z?


146 posted on 06/15/2008 8:22:57 AM PDT by Grunthor (John McCain, Soc. Arizona)
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To: Prole

“McPain is ensuring that Americans will pay upwards of 10 bucks for a gallon of gas.”

Naw, we won’t pay that. The economy will melt down before that happens.


147 posted on 06/15/2008 8:24:44 AM PDT by Grunthor (John McCain, Soc. Arizona)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If you think McLame is ANYTHING like Churchill, you’re smokin’ rope! The truth is, Juan McCain is more like Jean-Fraud Kerry....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39892


148 posted on 06/15/2008 8:28:49 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Dick Vomer

“Well for all you Hispanic haters”

If the illegals were Swedish, I’d still have a problem with them.

“Abortion-puhleeze. that’s just a scam that the republicans mouth so that the Christians can hold their noses and vote.”

I agree with most of your post, including the above that I quoted. The Republicans will NEVER actually do anything to outlaw abortion. They need the issue to keep the pro-lifers voting for them.


149 posted on 06/15/2008 8:38:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (John McCain, Soc. Arizona)
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To: neverdem

Me too. I keep writing the RNC and other Pubs plus guys and gals who I will support sans Pub money calling orgs., to have another Pub Contract like Newt in ‘94. The Congressional Pubs should run as strong national conservs while giving mouth tributes to John but keeping their campaigns true to their own principles. Vote John but really help out the Congressional Pubs for it is there that the liberal traitors will wreck havoc on our foreign policy and economy.


150 posted on 06/15/2008 8:52:47 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: RasterMaster

> If you think McLame is ANYTHING like Churchill, you’re smokin’ rope! The truth is, Juan McCain is more like Jean-Fraud Kerry....

That is certainly an opinion that you are entitled to. I haven’t committed either way, except to point out that Churchill’s pre-WW-II political record was certainly no better than McCain’s — in fact, there are some remarkable similarities.

I have also pointed out that Churchill did not always sit firmly on the right: he began in the left, then moved to the right, and reached across the house during his time of Greatness, which was the Grand Coalition during WW-II.

If you disagree with that, I’d be interested in knowing how and why.


151 posted on 06/15/2008 8:54:45 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You just go right ahead and justify larger government. Let’s flush away our heritage of small government. After all, it’s so outdated in this brave new world.

Good luck having a nice future, you’ll need it.


152 posted on 06/15/2008 8:55:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
McCain will ALSO not abandon our military - get it?
153 posted on 06/15/2008 8:56:40 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terri)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Churchill was a man of honor...something McLame knows nothing about. Churchill never sold out his own for the sake of “bi-partisanship”.


154 posted on 06/15/2008 8:58:51 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

>> “and it is even better in the optional “private” system.”

> Bingo

Yup — bingo. But like I said, we have both. And the private system would truly suck if we didn’t have the public system, and vice versa.

Why? That’s easy: the private system focuses on treating the high-profit maladies: like hip replacements, most elective surgery, &tc. The expensive, hi-volume-lo-margin stuff? Fuggedaboutit!

Sure, they will cover it: but the premium differential makes it more worthwhile to get your cut finger or your broken leg treated in a public Casualty ward.

Acute injury? 100% of the time you will begin in the public system: that’s just how it is geared. You can get your private room on your private insurance once they’ve stopped the bleeding...

Chronic? Depends upon when you took out your private policy (ie before or after you became chronic) and whether you have an exclusions waiver. You could end up either private (if you are lucky) or public (if you are less lucky).

Elective? It’s usually nicer to go private if you can afford the policy. If you don’t mind perhaps having to wait, you will save lots of money and get just as good treatment by going public.

Like I said, we have both available, and it is really good that way. But it has taken years to build the infrastructure, and it would be really difficult to do in the US. But if you *could* have it, you’d be crazy not to.


155 posted on 06/15/2008 9:08:35 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: RasterMaster

Me, I am a big Churchill fan, so it pains me to point out that he was anything other than Perfect. But I must, and I think he would approve. Thoroughly:

> Churchill was a man of honor...

The Irish would perhaps have a different view on that. As would some Kiwis and some Ockers. And some Welsh. And many trade unionists. All with some justification.

> Churchill never sold out his own for the sake of “bi-partisanship”.

Go on! He changed *parties* for pete’s sake!


156 posted on 06/15/2008 9:13:22 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: neverdem
re: His conceit of "straight-talk" and "maverick"-like independence so superficially applauded (up until now) by the mainstream media is almost Clintonesque in its narcissism.)))

bears repeating--can you find two bigger arrogant egos in DC than McCain/Obama?

157 posted on 06/15/2008 9:17:49 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“He changed *parties* for pete’s sake!”

So did REAGAN...but I wouldn’t compare an a$$hat like McCain to Reagan. It’s funny the lengths some will go to prop up their golden RINO. Nobody’s perfect, but McCain is living proof of what is wrong with the GOP’s “big tent”.


158 posted on 06/15/2008 9:17:54 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Sorry, but I completely disagree with your entire premise


159 posted on 06/15/2008 9:21:09 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: Mamzelle

Hmmm? McCain/Obama, let them run together and then impeach both of them.

I can dream.


160 posted on 06/15/2008 9:21:59 AM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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