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Beware of FLDS enforcers, Texas told
Deseret News ^ | June 11, 2008 | Leigh Dethman

Posted on 06/11/2008 4:59:10 AM PDT by Flo Nightengale

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To: rightazrain

I am a harmless little fuzzball. I just got my hair cut.

Where are the indictments? Where are the charges of wrongdoing? I am waiting and waiting so justice can be served, appropriately and constitutionally. I will continue to “watch”, like it or not. I am doing you a favor, but I don’t expect to be thanked.


161 posted on 06/11/2008 10:58:07 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: UCANSEE2

The DESERET NEWS sources the story to the government.


162 posted on 06/11/2008 11:06:05 AM PDT by fella (Is he or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: Flo Nightengale
Polygamy isn't something that sprouts spontaneously like mushrooms after rain. It requires enforcement, and if the legal system doesn't provide it, then extralegal means are needed. Such enforcement is part of the legal-cultural system in Muslim countries. Mark Twain described extra-legal enforcement that the Mormons used, in their polygamous era (circa 1860), in Roughing It .

Half an hour or an hour later, we changed horses, and took supper with a Mormon "Destroying Angel."

"Destroying Angels " as I understand it, are Latter-Day Saints who are set apart by the Church to conduct permanent disappearances of obnoxious citizens. I had heard a deal about these Mormon Destroying Angels and the dark and bloody deeds they had done, and when I entered this one's house I had my shudder all ready. But alas for all our romances, he was nothing but a loud, profane, offensive, old blackguard! He was murderous enough, possibly, to fill the bill of a Destroyer, but would you have any kind of an Angel devoid of dignity? Could you abide an Angel in an unclean shirt and no suspenders? Could you respect an Angel with a horse-laugh and a swagger like a buccaneer?

163 posted on 06/11/2008 11:06:26 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: hocndoc

Great post!

susie


164 posted on 06/11/2008 11:07:32 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: commonguymd

Ok, we will watch together. Watch as verb, not noun.


165 posted on 06/11/2008 11:14:16 AM PDT by rightazrain (:No people . . .have ever survived . . . by (being) inoffensive to their enemies." Dean Acheson)
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To: San Jacinto
The SC has ruled so that's hx and we have to accept their decision, whether we agree with it or not. I'm curious about something though and maybe you can answer my question? What should the district judge have done. From reports she only had about 10 days. Should she have spread individual cases around Texas or kept court 24/7? Was there a way she could have got it done, individually?
166 posted on 06/11/2008 11:16:27 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: fella

“The DESERET NEWS sources the story to the government.”


Well, of course.

If you heard that the Judge had extra security, just where would you go to get the exact details?


So, if the LATIMES or DESERET NEWS writes an article, after doing some source research, then it is the source that has some motivation for having it public, and not the media?

The media (whatever media source you would like to specify) has been totally unbiased in this case?


167 posted on 06/11/2008 11:17:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: Nervous Tick

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>> Your position appears to be that the FLDS did no wrong

No, not exactly. Not even close!

YOUR position is that my position appears to be that the FLDS did no wrong.

Yet, somehow, inexplicitly, in the face of evidence to the contrary, you continue to claim that you are not a retard.

I rest my case. Give me the rent money for my hotel on Park Place and retire from the game.]

To make this more rational, I suggest you simply list the things that you think the FLDS did wrong, that way you can never be accused of being a sympathizer.

As far as my being a retard, it has been my experience that those most unsure of their own mental capabilities often try to deflect attention from their deficits through taunts aimed at provoking reaction. Just a thought to consider.


168 posted on 06/11/2008 11:18:34 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: San Jacinto

Finally, for those who either hope for or hope against some big civil judgment against the state in favor of the FLDS — You might as well quit hoping. It ain’t going to happen.


——hope for or hope against -—

Which ain’t going to happen?......... Or are you trying to say there will be something in the middle, a small to medium civil judgement?


169 posted on 06/11/2008 11:27:56 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: FastCoyote

>> To make this more rational

I was wrong, you CAN at least spell “rational”! Who knew? But why would you want to start now?

>> I suggest you simply list the things that you think the FLDS did wrong, that way you can never be accused of being a sympathizer.

Ah, so now we’re negotiating my release from suspicion? ROFL! Tell me, FRiend, who will evaluate this list? Perhaps you can draw up a sample confession... er, I mean, list, and after sufficient coercion I can simply sign that one? You’re a piece of work... something right out of Orwell. P.S. I really don’t take you that seriously.

>> As far as my being a retard

Hey, thanks for owning up to it, but I don’t hold your retardation against you... it takes a big, if slow, person to admit it.


170 posted on 06/11/2008 11:33:01 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: FastCoyote
But you know, don’t bother to read the history, the FLDS are pure as driven snow, even though they trace their heritage directly back to Joseph Smith. Don’t let it sink into your skull that we are watching a tired sequel,Rocky 12 in production.

Well, aren’t we all so lucky to have you here to advise us on how to think and what to study! . I will be sure to consult you in the future for my schedule and reading list.

As long as you are recommending what I should let "sink in," here is a little something else my "skull" thought up that you can make additional juvenile remarks about. Until now they have not been claiming tax exempt status, but they just might change that as well and cut off a rather lucrative and steady supply of cash to the county as well. So not only is the county going broke from their ill advised "raid" and Judge Barbara's power trip, what money they do have is liable to dry up as well. Currently that comes to about $450,000. They paid about $200,000 last year.

I suppose I "don't bother" to understand a bit of simple economics either. The Sheriff and the county are making noises about confiscating the property to cover the cost of their raid and CPS wrongful custody of the kids, only to discover that hey, so far, no one has actually been arrested yet to justify that. And if they think public opinion is against LE and the county now just let them take a stab at confiscating the now rather valuable facility. Which, by the way, if they do, will also cut off the tax money to the county.

It’s just one stupid move after another from them.

171 posted on 06/11/2008 11:33:44 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: UCANSEE2
In propaganda it is important to appear to be telling the truth one of the best ways to do so is to use unnamed sources to filer tainted information to an over eager media and to hint at situations in such a manner as to lead the media into making false statements as representations of the truth. Such as "The war in Iraq is lost.". Stalins minister of propaganda is reputed to have said "If you can control what people see (print,pictures and video)and hear(radio) then you can control what they think". Here at FReepers people who fall for such manipulations are sometimes called sheeple. It's not so much a reflection on the people who have been manipulated as a observation that they are unknowingly being lead to the slaughter.
172 posted on 06/11/2008 11:36:54 AM PDT by fella ("...He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
But to go from giving the witnesses evil glances to being listed as dangerous is quite a leap.

Another of the Child Molestor Cabal denying the existance of the Evil Eye. Don't you know the FLDS have superpowers

Will someone again point out to me that the CPS supporters are not using the Salem Witchtrial Playbook. I keep forgetting why the thought they are keeps reoccuring to me.

173 posted on 06/11/2008 11:38:36 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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To: San Jacinto

I agree with most of what you said, but you failed to address the 31 adults that CPS rounded up, or the resulting lawsuits that are sure to be filed.


174 posted on 06/11/2008 11:41:47 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: All

If I were a law-enforcement officer and were asked to be a bodyguard for a judge, any judge, I would immediately consult my list of people for whom I would be willing to die in order to protect them. It’s a short list.

Unfortunately, I don’t see any judges on it.

It seems reasonable to me that a judge ought to be liable to at least someone for a judicial act, especially one as egregious as the one in this article, despite what the Supreme Court - another collection of judges - once ruled. The government, after all, is supposed to have a healthy fear of its citizens.

Need another example? Think Piniellas County, FL and George Greer.


175 posted on 06/11/2008 11:43:10 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

A thread about the dossier on Big Willie and gang

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2029532/posts


176 posted on 06/11/2008 11:46:07 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: UCANSEE2

Can’t you see I care. I don’t want the mental gymnastics to go so far as to have people get hurt. Just looking out for you.


177 posted on 06/11/2008 11:47:47 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: DPMD

Watch out now, you might get one of those evil stares the state is so afraid of.


178 posted on 06/11/2008 11:48:47 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd
I believe that the State of Texas should just leave these folks alone. They have their quirky ideas but they have separated themselves and pose no real harm to others. With that said, the idea of enforcers involved, especially with the extremist sects, is very, very real. They have been well known for decades.

I really doubt that they would attack any government official, especially in this climate. They operate in the shadows and will do anything to prevent attention being drawn to them.

179 posted on 06/11/2008 12:03:39 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: San Jacinto
I am not offended by anything in your post, and in fact I agree with all of it, with the exception that I only meant to characterize these particular actions of the CPS and the trial court as a completely unnecessary judicial stampede unleashed by the CPS. I did not intend to disparage the whole Texas Family Court system in general. Maybe I should relabel my stampede pic.

Cordially,

180 posted on 06/11/2008 12:08:34 PM PDT by Diamond
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