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Oil price crisis threatens to reverse globalisation
Times of London ^ | 06/11/08 | Carl Mortished

Posted on 06/10/2008 10:22:39 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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Too bad that high oil price cannot roll back reckless global finance, because it runs on Internet, not on shipping lanes, and air flights.

On the other hand, high oil price would indirectly do damage to global finance because damage to real economy do have a serious impact on finance. Its highly leveraged nature only make it worse.

1 posted on 06/10/2008 10:22:39 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/10/2008 10:23:21 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Correction:

cannot directly roll back reckless global finance,

3 posted on 06/10/2008 10:25:34 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

every cloud has a silver lining.


4 posted on 06/10/2008 10:26:33 PM PDT by kms61
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Life in America is about to become a helluva lot more expensive for people who have gotten used to paying Wal-Mart prices.


5 posted on 06/10/2008 10:31:54 PM PDT by skipper18
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To: kms61
The best silver-lining: no more of China pushing around everybody. At least a lot less.

It is inevitable. If U.S. inspired global credit economy hits a wall, So does Chinese economy.

6 posted on 06/10/2008 10:36:43 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Imagine nuclear powered shipping. Sooner or later the Luddites are going to lose, and their costly delay of progress will be reversed.
7 posted on 06/10/2008 10:42:35 PM PDT by Nateman (RINO leaders have less opposition thereby maximizing damage!)
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To: skipper18

No, it really won’t be that bad. We will have to start looking for locally or nationally made items in place of all that Chinese junk. The result will mean more jobs here in the United States.

We really need to learn to do without so much plastic, too, as it is made from petroleum. As a nation we are imaginative; I’m sure we’ll pull through splendidly.


8 posted on 06/10/2008 11:05:01 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yup.

Now comes the $65,535.00 question: When (if) it does.... what happens in China? Do we see riots as their economy goes into a serious reversal for a time? Do we see a war break out in southeast Asia as they go reaching for commodities and assets they need to prop up their economy?

Or do they un-peg the Yuan? And convert their reserves to some other currency, putting the last nail in the dollar’s coffin?

There’s all sorts of possible outcomes to this scenario. None of them particularly pleasant in the short term.


9 posted on 06/10/2008 11:10:43 PM PDT by NVDave
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Sooner or later

Probably not soon enough to get the financial bubble uninterrupted and China's ambition unimpeded.

If you cared about continued growth, you have to think long and hard about this kind of prospect for a long time, instead of trying to come up with some ideas on a fly now.

10 posted on 06/10/2008 11:11:15 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: NVDave
There are no riots in China!
11 posted on 06/11/2008 12:37:27 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Always Low Prcies is an unsustainable strategy when 2/3 of the planet aspires to be just like us.

Innovation is needed and I don't see any vision from our so-called leaders to provide the proper investment incentives only more nanny statism.

12 posted on 06/11/2008 2:15:52 AM PDT by Vet_6780 ("I see debt people")
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An excellent, excellent article. I’m sure investors and economists are doing their best to quantify these observations.


13 posted on 06/11/2008 2:46:32 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And yet another good reason for domestic oil exploration and processing.


14 posted on 06/11/2008 2:50:54 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A couple observations:

- China has been developing the regional market of SE Asia for many years, and seemingly just as aggressively as in any Wal-Mart. For almost any consumer good there is always the choice of “cheap Chinese” or a more expensive and higher quality alternative (that are not from China, e.g, bicycles). This has been going on for at least the last 5 years.

- I’m a bit dubious of the shipping prices mentioned in the article. I’m no expert, but in my limited experience a container load of “stuff” (e.g., furniture) was about $3,700 from Singapore to Baltimore, and I priced a 32-foot pleasure boat shipment at about $5,000 from Baltimore to Bangkok. While I can understand that Columbian carnations and Dutch tulips might get much more expensive to ship via air, it just seems unlikely that sea transport would actually have doubled due to fuel costs alone.


15 posted on 06/11/2008 4:50:18 AM PDT by angkor (The Elephant In The Conservative/GOP Living Room isn't RINOs, it's The Religionists.)
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In the article, it says:

The business of airfreighting perishable goods is going seriously awry. Most of the cut flowers sold in Britain come from East African and Latin American plantations.

So I infer that the flowers are airlifted into Britain.

16 posted on 06/11/2008 4:56:14 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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“So I infer that the flowers are airlifted into Britain.”

Yes it has become a big business for much of South America. Especially Colombia. It is just a further extension of the airlifted fruits and vegetables to markets so that people have strawberries and such year around.


17 posted on 06/11/2008 4:59:29 AM PDT by neb52
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Brilliant post by you! The article is also very interesting and something that’s obvious. High transport cost will curtail global integration. OK by me


18 posted on 06/11/2008 5:00:09 AM PDT by dennisw (We have an idiocracy not a democracy)
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To: SatinDoll
IMHO, too many things are made (engineered) for a specific lifetime....depreciative engineering, that is. Even housing today is built not to last.

That in of itself is a result of greed, not common sense, and therefore waste of labor and resources is quadrupled which in turns stagnates other sectors of the global economy, domestic as well.

IOW, such philosophies denies increase in the standard of living of many world wide.

19 posted on 06/11/2008 5:00:14 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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It may seem a joke, but if the year round flower business is hurt I wouldn’t be surprised if much of South American devolves into further Socialism and many farmers go back to cocaine growing. This is one of those industries that has helped get farmers away from drug production. Further helping Colombia win the PR campaign against FARC.


20 posted on 06/11/2008 5:03:51 AM PDT by neb52
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