The Buzz about Barack’s Birth Certificate

michellemalkin.com ^ | June 10, 2008 | Michelle Malkin

[jan in Colorado]

Was that gaffe regarding 57 states a mistake?

Obama and the 57 States on youTube

Isn’t 57 the number of recognized Islamic states in the world?

[fanfan]

Jeff, did you see post #94???

[ASA Vet]

I had already neverd minded.

[Gumdrop]

Still waiting to see that “baptismal certificate”.

[fanfan]

If Obama's adoptive step father secured for him Indonesian citizenship as part of the adoption process and Obama traveled under Indonesian documents to the United States his US citizenship would automatically have been revoked if he didn't reaffirm it at eighteen.

I have a question. Would the US government notify some one of that requirement just before the person turned 18, or would he have had to remember on his own?

Maybe it's not so much what is ON the birth certificate, but where that information could lead.

[Yaelle]

I didn’t know until now that an adopted person would have a new birth certificate at adoption. It makes sense, but I’d never thought about it before. Was Barack adopted by the Indonesian father? Does the new adoptive father then get his name on the birth certificate as if he had been there the year and date the child is born (conceived)?

[fanfan]

Another FReeper said today that he called the relevant office in 2004, and was told they don’t bother to check these things.

I’m sorry, I don’t remember who said it.

[Jeff Head]

If he was born in Hawaii in 1961, then he is a natural born US citizen. The other rules only apply if he is born abroad (like in Kenya as some assert) to a single US citizen parent (his mom in this case).

[FMBass]

“My best guess is that his parents were not legally married.”

If that were true, that would make him a real “Bastid”.

[tsmith130]

If Obama's adoptive step father secured for him Indonesian citizenship as part of the adoption process

Ok, I'm confused. If he was adopted by his mother's second husband, why is his name Obama? Did he legally changed it back to his biological father's name at some point?

[oswegodeee]

ROFLOL!

[Jeff Head]

No, I dd not seen that. Another interesting twist and question.

Jack and test, did you see this info in POST 94 on this thread?

[fanfan]

Does the new adoptive father then get his name on the birth certificate as if he had been there the year and date the child is born (conceived)?

Why change the facts of the original certificate? Can you just add an adoptive parent to an existing birth certificate?

It's not the same as an adoption certificate.

*confused*

[tsmith130]

I can only speak from my experience. When we adopted our daughter, and after all legal requirements were completed, a new birth certificate was issued from the state where she was born (which was not the state we resided in) and we were listed as the parents.

[beezdotcom]

I had already neverd minded.

And yet, you didn't 'nevermind' the 'nevermind'...fancy that.

[Right Wing Assault]

That is killer stuff

Referring to post #43.

[snowsislander]

Interesting.

From looking around the web, it does appear that the state of Hawaii provides a mechanism to verify information about a birth certificate without actually receiving a copy of the certificate:

Letters of Verification

Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.

(http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html)

I would think that calling the Vital Records Office would be enough to get an explanation of how to write for verification that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., was born in the state of Hawaii on August 4th, 1961, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., and Ann Dunham. (The web page says "Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies", but I didn't see anywhere on the provided PDFs to request verification rather than a certified copy, so I think that it might take a telephone call to ensure that the verification request is being done correctly.)

The end product would hopefully be that one gets a "yes" or "no" answer to the question from the Vital Records department.

[Primetimedonna]

I say we’ll probably see the birth certificate at the same time we see Bill Clinton’s Medical Records!!

And Jon Carry’s complete military records

Yep!!

[Centurion2000]

I'm sure the Obama camp would immediately appeal to the US Supreme Court, citing some vague "always thought he was an American" excuse, just like the family story he always thought was true about his uncle.

Then the MSM will drum up support for calling it an archaic "technicality" that should be overruled by the USSC because of the immense popularity of Obama,

USSC literally could not rule on this as it is in black and white in the Constitution. There is ZERO wiggle room for interpretation on this.

[Political Junkie Too]

I don't trust the USSC to be so black-and-white anymore. I thought the eminent domain language was clear, but they found a way with Kelo to take your private property and give it to other private entities. What's to stop them from declaring someone eligible to be president for the common good, or by using the commerce clause, or other such emanation from a penumbra?

-PJ