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Obama Could Debunk Some Rumors By Releasing His Birth Certificate
National Review Online ^

Posted on 06/10/2008 6:23:59 AM PDT by Blue Turtle

Having done some Obama-rumor debunking that got praise from Daily Kos (a sign of the apocalypse, no doubt), perhaps the Obama campaign could return the favor and help debunk a bunch of others with a simple step: Could they release a copy of his birth certificate?

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To: Blue Turtle

Birth certificates don’t contain any data that a reasonable person would regard as confidential. Newborns don’t have social security numbers, so that can’t be an issue. What’s left: the child’s name, the parents’ names, the date, place and time of birth? If he is reluctant to disclose any of those, there probably is some sort of problem.


21 posted on 06/10/2008 6:49:39 AM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Right. And don’t forget that his mother was a virgin.


22 posted on 06/10/2008 6:49:43 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Blue Turtle

Interesting situation. It could actually be a disqualifier, but then it could just be a ruse - let your opposing side get all worked up and spend their time and energy demanding your birth certificate which you refuse to release. Knowing how the MSM will latch onto an issue, let them focus on this to the exclusion of focusing on his policies and plans. Soon before the election release the birth cert to show that there is no ‘there’ there and make you look like a ‘victim’ of a vast right wing conspiracy while having to not have defended yourself on your vulnerable points.

A Birth cert should certainly be requested of him, but it shouldn’t become the only focused issue as it might be a decoy.


23 posted on 06/10/2008 6:53:00 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (We're all mavericks now.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Could someone sue Obama and claim they are being "harmed" in some way to force disclosure? "My legal right to representation is being aggrieved by an ineligible person blah, blah, blah"

You would think any American should have standing considering Obama is running as the President. All citizens should have the right to question whether he meets the qualifications for the office.

24 posted on 06/10/2008 6:55:01 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: taxcontrol

Here is a post from yesterday that shows the law as it was in 1961. It has everything to do with the fact that his Mom had not, and could not have, resided in the US for 5 years after her 16th birthday. She, like so many young women get pregnant at a very young age. She gave birth at 18.

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…


25 posted on 06/10/2008 6:55:21 AM PDT by WellyP (How much does Huma know?)
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To: Blue Turtle

Even if one was released, who’s to say it’s an accurate copy?


26 posted on 06/10/2008 6:55:55 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: Always Right

True. Why would any US citizen not have standing?


27 posted on 06/10/2008 6:56:08 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Blue Turtle

Presuming that his mother needed a passport to travel to Kenya, wouldn’t the State Department have a record of this?


28 posted on 06/10/2008 6:56:22 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: taxcontrol
I believe the specific point is that his father was NOT a US Citizen and while his Mom was, at the time, the law required that in order to AUTOMATICALLY qualify for citizenship, the US parent had to be over the age of 21 and his mom was NOT.

So all the babies born to teenage illegal aliens in America are not American citizens? Good luck getting such an argument before a court, let alone approved by a court.

29 posted on 06/10/2008 6:57:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: blau993
Birth certificates don’t contain any data that a reasonable person would regard as confidential. Newborns don’t have social security numbers, so that can’t be an issue. What’s left: the child’s name, the parents’ names, the date, place and time of birth? If he is reluctant to disclose any of those, there probably is some sort of problem.

Of course there is some sort of problem. The problem is that the American people are ignorant, racist, and prejudiced hicks and that having His Holy Name's™ full given Muslim name on a birth certificate will unfairly hurt his chances for an Ascension to the presidency to bring about Change™ and Hope™. That is the problem!

Sincerly,

A humble Obama worshipper

30 posted on 06/10/2008 6:57:32 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: mgc1122

Unless he’s been lying about his age, he was born in Hawaii after it was one of the 50 states and not before. You’d have a better (though still poor) argument with McCain being a “Zonie”.


31 posted on 06/10/2008 6:57:35 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter.)
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To: blau993
Birth certificates don’t contain any data that a reasonable person would regard as confidential. Newborns don’t have social security numbers, so that can’t be an issue. What’s left: the child’s name, the parents’ names, the date, place and time of birth? If he is reluctant to disclose any of those, there probably is some sort of problem.

One question that could arise, did Barry Dunham legally change his name to Barack Obama? Then if Barack Obama wins the election, is Barry Dunham allowed to serve as president.

32 posted on 06/10/2008 6:58:13 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: iowamark
I believe he is hiding his birth name which apparently was Barry Dunham.

The reason this would be an issue is because it is now Barack Hussein Obama. Why the change? It would bring up many interesting questions.

Now if what I have read is wrong and his birth name is Barack Hussein Obama, then the rest of America would know his middle name is Hussein, and we can't have them knowing that.

33 posted on 06/10/2008 6:59:06 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: All

“McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out”


34 posted on 06/10/2008 6:59:19 AM PDT by Faith-Hope
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To: Blue Turtle
Obama's ardent followers are not swayed be logic, reason, or truth. To them, regardless of his positions, his gaffes, his birth place, his past, or his associations, he is an idol.


Nothing you can say or do will convince these people otherwise...


Because I am the one they and I have been waiting for...and I am lovin' it.

Those wild eyed people represent the millions of Americans raised in the government day-care and indoctrination centers we call public schools who did not have, or would not listen to, parents and others who tried to counterweight the garbage they heard at school...who have been raised on 60 second sound bite time spans and know no better.

You have other tens of millions on the dole who will vote for him regardless of position because he promises to keep pilfering the public largess for them.

Still othes of millions will vote for him simply because he is black.

Other millions will vote for him because they know exactly who he is and what he represents and agree with his anti-American positions.

The first three are all what is termed, useful idiots, a term coined by Lenin for the dupes he got to support him.

Against this it is left to us to educate, arouse, and amass the tens of millions of Americans who understand and hold fast to the foundational principles our constitutional republic rests upon...many of them the bitter, rural Americans clinging to their guns and religion that Obama so arrogantly spoke of.

Finally, with all of this in mind, note this comparison:


A populsitic, charismatic, self-serving individual has a way of mesmerizing foolish people looking for an idol...then and now.

Barack Hussein Obama is the apex of the hate-America, domestic enemy in this country. His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

35 posted on 06/10/2008 6:59:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Blue Turtle

I am proud of MY birth certificate and would be happy to show it to anyone. It states that I am a natural born citizen of the greatest country in the history of the world.

Guess Obama isn’t proud to be an American


36 posted on 06/10/2008 7:00:38 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: frankiep

Always look for the obvious reasons first. good job!


37 posted on 06/10/2008 7:00:59 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: WellyP

That makes it seem clear that Obama is ILLEGAL! There have got to be some conservative legal eagles who could run with this.


38 posted on 06/10/2008 7:01:01 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Blue Turtle

If religion is listed on Hawaii birth certificates, the reason why he won’t release it is obvious. Anyone from Hawaii who can settle this issue?


39 posted on 06/10/2008 7:01:23 AM PDT by devere
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To: Tanniker Smith
Unless he’s been lying about his age, he was born in Hawaii after it was one of the 50 states and not before.

There seems to be sufficient photo evidence to establish Obama's age, unless he was held back in school a couple years, which seems unlikely. I don't see his age a problem. Finding out his legal name he was born to might be interesting, as well as the marital status of his mother and if his father is listed.

40 posted on 06/10/2008 7:03:14 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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