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With U.S. in slump, dual citizenship in EU countries attracts Americans
Palm Beach Post ^ | Saturday, June 07, 2008 | ANDREW ABRAMSON

Posted on 06/08/2008 3:25:27 PM PDT by null and void

For millions of Europeans who braved the Atlantic Ocean for a glimpse of the Statue of Liberty and dreams of a lavish life, there was little thought of ever emigrating back.

Yet for a new generation of Americans of European descent, the Old Country is becoming a new country full of promise and opportunity.

The creation of the European Union and its thriving economy is very appealing for Americans in a global economy.

"With an EU passport, I can live and work in 27 countries," said Suzanne Mulvehill of Lake Worth. "With a U.S. passport, I can live and work in one."

Americans can claim citizenship in any of the 27 European countries that are in the EU based on the nationality of their parents, or in some cases, grandparents and great-grandparents. Citizenship in one of those countries allows you to live and work in any EU nation.

Since the United States doesn't keep statistics on dual citizens, it's impossible to know exactly how many people have applied for citizenship in Europe. But it's estimated that more than 40 million Americans are eligible for dual citizenship, and a growing number of Americans want to try their luck elsewhere.

"I have to say that over the past few years, calls I never would have received before have been made to the office," said Sam Levine, an immigration attorney in Palm Beach Gardens. "It's not like a tidal wave, but it's certainly more substantial, and it's remarkable."

He's receiving calls from people like Mulvehill, executive director of the Emotional Institute, a Lake Worth-based company that trains entrepreneurs.

Mulvehill's mother was born in Romania, which became a member of the European Union last year.

She's obtaining Romanian citizenship, which she estimates will have taken about three years, a ton of paperwork, $750 in fees and a trip to the Romanian consulate in Washington.

But once she receives the passport, probably early next year, she'll be able settle anywhere in the EU.

"I recognized for the first time in my life that being American had limits," Mulvehill said, "and that if I really wanted to become what I call a global citizen, then I needed to tap into all my resources to expand my ability to serve entrepreneurs not just in Lake Worth, which is one town, and not just in Florida or in America or North America, but on the globe."

Globalization is a word on the mind of Lauren Berg, a recent college graduate from Michigan who is obtaining Greek citizenship based on her grandfather. She plans to move to Paris, brush up on her French and engross herself in the European business world.

"It's definitely a really good thing to have on your résumé with business going so global," Berg said. "I probably never would have done it if it wasn't for the EU, but at the same time I've always been extremely proud of my Greek heritage."

Dual citizenship once viewed as unpatriotic

But not everyone is so excited about this increasing trend.

"I understand the impulse: You can get a better deal over there," said Stanley Renshon, a professor at the City University of New York and former president of the International Society of Political Psychology. "Whether it's good for the American national community is quite a different question."

Renshon belongs to a faction of immigration experts that believes dual citizenship diminishes the American identity.

"The devaluation of American citizenship for the sake of comparative advantage strikes me as fairly self-centered," Renshon said.

Dual citizenship became a major issue during the War of 1812, when the British military tried recruiting, and in some cases forcing, British-born American citizens to fight on Britain's side.

For years, being a dual citizen was seen as unpatriotic, and until 1967 it was possible for the United States to revoke American citizenship for people who voted in foreign elections.

But in the 1967 Afroyim vs. Rusk decision, Supreme Court justices ruled 5-4 that it was unconstitutional to bar dual citizenship.

"It was the high point of the 1960s and individual rights," said Noah Pickus, the associate director of the Kenan Institute for Ethics at Duke University. "So the notion that you could take a citizenship away from somebody would seem to violate the basic notion of individual choice."

Today, immigrants who become American citizens have to swear that they renounce their previous citizenship, but it's more of a symbolic gesture, and Renshon said it's actually difficult to renounce a citizenship.

One of the biggest advocates of dual citizenship is Temple University professor and author Peter Spiro, who believes that defining one's identity by his citizenship is a thing of the past.

"There are really no harms caused by individuals having additional citizenship these days," Spiro said. "It's the wave of the future, because more and more people are going to have it. It's going to multiply on an exponential basis going forward."

And as the value of the euro - the currency shared by 15 EU countries - rises and America's economy slumps, it's an attractive alternative for Amber Alfano, a recent University of Florida graduate who is becoming an Italian citizen like her father.

"I'm doing it as an exit strategy of sorts," Alfano said. "I like knowing that I have another place to go if things get even worse here, or if I just get tired of running on the American mouse wheel.

"My dad was actually the one who put a bug in my ear about the whole citizenship thing. He said that Europeans are more interested in the quality of life than the quantity, and that it was a good place to have and raise children because of the way their social systems work. I don't care much about the child-rearing part, but I would gladly trade in some of my material possessions for a little flat, a scooter and more vacation."

The grass might be greener ... for now

Levine, the Palm Beach Gardens immigration attorney, was born in Canada and has received calls from people also interested in obtaining Canadian citizenship. He also understands the European appeal. He said he's proud to be an American and proud of what the U.S. has accomplished on a global scale in the last century but that there are some advantages to living elsewhere.

"You have to look at things like how hard people work here and how little vacation time people get here," Levine said. "A lot of people who live in Europe might not make same amount of money as Americans, but in some senses it's a kinder, more gentle lifestyle."

When Alfano went to fill out her paperwork at the Italian consulate in Coral Gables, she said "the waiting room was full of second- and third-generation Americans (of Italian descent) picking up passports."

Pickus said he's heard stories of parents getting their children European citizenship as an 18th birthday present - "We didn't get you a car, but we got you an Italian citizenship."

Some, like seasonal Vero Beach resident Tony Monaco, who has been trying to get Italian citizenship based on his grandfather, bought property in Italy and learned that taxes would be much lower if he was a citizen.

For those who are moving for the EU economic boom, Hudson Institute senior fellow John Fonte - one of the nation's leading immigration experts and critics of dual citizenship - warns that it might not last.

"I think it's a short-term phenomenon," Fonte said. "I don't think the European economy in the long run will do that well because it's a heavy socialist welfare state in most of the countries."

Mulvehill, the Lake Worth entrepreneur trainer, taught a course at Lynn University and encouraged her students to obtain dual citizenship if they were eligible.

"Expand your possibilities. If you can get citizenship, why not?" she said. "The world is a bigger place than America. Look at what technology has done, creating a global economy. That, in my opinion, is what has created this phenomenon."

Every country has its own process for obtaining citizenship.

Ireland, Italy and Greece are among the most lenient in terms of letting an individual claim citizenship not just from a parent but from a grandparent or possibly a great-grandparent.

Even in countries that allow an individual only to claim descent based on a parent, in many cases the new citizen can pass the citizenship on to his child.

Eric Hammerle, a Vero Beach resident whose father was born in Germany, said it was easy for him and his 16-year-old son Nick to become German citizens.

They acquired the necessary documents - birth, marriage and death certificates - and took them to the German consulate in Miami.

"The whole process took about 20 minutes," Hammerle said. "They read over the documents, came back and said, 'Congratulations, Germany has two new citizens.' It was a fee of $85."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; dualcitizenship; expats; globalism; immigrantlist
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To: EDINVA
I have NO interest in becoming an Irish citizen, but because of that one grandparent, if I were so inclined, I could take up dual citizenship ?

Yup.There's a lot of documentation that's required (birth certificates,marriage certificates,etc) to prove lineage but if you can provide it you'd qualify.

And, if I were to become a dual citizen, then as an Irish citizen myself, my kids would then be eligible dual citizenship if they chose?

Nope.In order to qualify under the circumstances you set out you would have had to be an Irish citizen on the day they were born.If it had been one of your *parents* rather than a grandparent who was born in Ireland then your kids would be eligible.That's my understanding but if you want the official lowdown contact an Irish consulate.

81 posted on 06/09/2008 6:17:12 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: Enchante
Actually, more like 57 or 58, according to the latest Democrat presidential nominee.

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LOL...I could not believe the clip I saw when Obama stated how many States he had visited (he did note that he didn't visit Alaska or Hawaii which I guess means we could have 59 or 60 States if he has any math skills).

Never saw this much on the MSM.

And Senator Obama wants to be the next POTUS? Sounds like his foreign policy is going to be pretty aggressive to add on 6 or 7 more states!

82 posted on 06/09/2008 6:19:20 AM PDT by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: magooey
Here in Mississippi, I know unemployment is low. Why?

Service is still bad at fast food places.

The "Will Work for Food" guys holding signs out on street corners still won't work for food.

As fat, ugly, and out-of-shape as I am, I still have a part-time job at a Fitness Center. Fitness Centers are the height of "disposable income". Plus, if the economy was bad, there'd be buff guys and built women lining up to try to take my job....and they aren't.

83 posted on 06/09/2008 7:22:19 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: mdwakeup

Sorry, I always think of France and Germany, and they’re usually around 10%. I DO notice half of those nations are former Eastern Bloc communist countries. THEY know what Socialism is all about, and must try their best to stay away from it.


84 posted on 06/09/2008 7:24:04 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: MuttTheHoople
The "Will Work for Food" guys holding signs out on street corners still won't work for food.

Years back I carried a "Will Micromachine for Food" sign to various conferences and industry meetings.

Got a lot of smiles and laughs, but no interviews...

85 posted on 06/09/2008 7:32:41 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of the population and stupider by its cube.)
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To: riverdawg
With the exception of US/Israeli dual citizenship, our State Department does not officially recognize the concept. It’s not illegal, however, because of the 1967 SCOTUS ruling.

Of course it does. The State Department has no choice. It is law. Dual Nationality--A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

The U.S. government allows dual citizenship. United States law recognizes U.S. Dual Citizenship, but the U.S. government does not encourage it is as a matter of policy due to the problems that may arise from it. It is important to understand that a foreign citizen does NOT lose his or her citizenship when becoming a U.S. citizen. An individual that becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization may keep his or her original citizenship. However, as some countries do not recognize dual citizenship, it is important to consider it carefully before applying for U.S. citizenship.

86 posted on 06/09/2008 7:51:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Jack Black

My understanding (and I admit I am not an expert on this) is that the US/Israeli exception arose out of the special circumstances surrounding the formation of the state of Israel in 1948. I know a couple of US citizens who spend half of the year in Israel and the other half here, and who also served in the Israeli army, etc. without jeopardizing their US citizenship.


87 posted on 06/09/2008 8:01:06 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: kabar

“US law does not mention dual nationality ...”

This is what I meant by my statement that the US does not “recognize” dual citizenship.


88 posted on 06/09/2008 8:05:41 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: magooey; null and void

The BLS publishes a table of internationally comparable unemployment rates, which take into account differences across countries in definitions and concepts. So does the OECD.

The “official” unemployment rate doesn’t take into account whether or not you are receiving or have exhausted unemployment benefits. A person’s classification is based on a series of questions about his or her “major activity” during the survey reference week.


89 posted on 06/09/2008 8:13:44 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg
This is what I meant by my statement that the US does not “recognize” dual citizenship.

But the U.S. does recognize dual nationality.

90 posted on 06/09/2008 8:16:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Gay State Conservative

Thanks. This is all so confusing. If my kid(s) want dual citizenship, think I’ll let them do the research and document acquiring.

I did visit the Irish Foreign Ministry’s website and saw the application form and list of documents. My biggest problem is that I know grandmother was born in Ireland, but not where. She never discussed it. My family took the attitude that once here, they were Americans and that was that.


91 posted on 06/09/2008 8:31:03 AM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: riverdawg
The “official” unemployment rate doesn’t take into account whether or not you are receiving or have exhausted unemployment benefits. A person’s classification is based on a series of questions about his or her “major activity” during the survey reference week.

Sort of. The "series of questions" are asked on the UI benefit forms.

Once you've exhausted your benefits, you cease filling out the forms...

92 posted on 06/09/2008 8:40:57 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of the population and stupider by its cube.)
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To: kabar
I'm just quoting from your quote of the passage at the State Department website. My interest in this thread started with the practical implications for “dual nationals” of which passport to use when traveling overseas. If you are a US citizen with dual nationality traveling overseas and want the assurance of whatever protection that is afforded you by the US embassy or consulate, my advice is to use your US passport. If you don't and then get into trouble in the foreign country, you may learn quickly (as my co-worker did) how little your dual nationality means to our State Department.
93 posted on 06/09/2008 8:48:36 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: null and void

“The ‘series of questions’ are asked on the UI benefit forms.”

Yes, for the purpose of determining eligibility for UI benefits. For the purpose of determining the unemployment rate each month, however, the relevant “major activity” questions are asked as part of interviews of a stratified random sample of the working-age population (called the Current Population Survey) conducted by the Census Bureau for the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


94 posted on 06/09/2008 8:52:37 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

Yessssss, and where do they get the phone numbers to call? Color me a *little* bit skeptical about just how random the calls are.

Do you even know anyone who has ever actually been called in their entire lives for this survey?

The administration and congress have a strong incentive to report just how truly wonderful thing are to their constituents.


95 posted on 06/09/2008 8:58:11 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of the population and stupider by its cube.)
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To: riverdawg

Your friend proved he was Italian (with his Italian Passport) to the US consulate, and didn’t get help from them? Wow. I’m shocked. Not.

Maybe next time he’ll bring his American passport to the US Embassy?


96 posted on 06/09/2008 9:00:44 AM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of the population and stupider by its cube.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
“... why would a US diplomat become involved in an issue involving a car accident?”

IIRC, the accident involved minor injuries and considerable property damage and the co-worker was briefly held by the German police. I don't remember if formal charges were filed.

If you carry two passports (let's say US and Italian), enter Italy on the Italian passport and try to return on the US passport, the first thing the DHS officer is going to look for is the Italy stamp in your US passport. Since you don't have one, you will likely have to answer a whole lot of unpleasant questions, at a minimum. With the exception of a couple of Israelis, the (few) people I know with “dual nationality” always travel overseas with their US passport.

97 posted on 06/09/2008 9:13:31 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: null and void
I was surveyed once, back in the mid-70’s. The survey results are “noisy” but I don't think they are manipulated by the administration or Congress. The Census Bureau and the BLS are fiercely independent, sometimes to their peril.
98 posted on 06/09/2008 9:17:47 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg
The State Department recommends the same thing. However, as a US citizen, the State Department must treat you the same even if you have dual citizenship. Problems arise when an individual with dual citizenship [and two passports] gets in trouble in the country of his other citizenship. Then, US officials have a difficult time invoking consular rights and privileges, including visitation in prison.

FYI: I worked for the State Department for 28 years.

99 posted on 06/09/2008 9:19:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I certainly will defer to your knowledge of State Department policy. (BTW, did you work at State after 9/11/2001?) My practical advice, however, comes from four decades of travel to foreign countries and the harrowing experiences of friends and co-workers (both US and dual nationals) who have had passport difficulties (some admittedly their own fault) when traveling overseas.

In the case of the woman in the article who is a citizen of the US and who is applying for Romanian citizenship to obtain an EU passport, I would recommend that she use her US passport to travel between the US and Romania and then her Romanian passport if necessary for *work-related* travel throughout the EU. If she isn't working over there, then I would recommend that she use her US passport exclusively throughout the EU; once she enters Romania (or any other EU country) on the US passport she should have no problems traveling from one EU country to the other.

100 posted on 06/09/2008 11:21:27 AM PDT by riverdawg
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