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Are Conservatives Dead or Resting?
American Thinker ^ | June 08, 2008 | Christopher Chantrill

Posted on 06/08/2008 6:37:34 AM PDT by vietvet67

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To: vietvet67
"States rights" and "law and order" were racist code words calculated to appeal to the racist hearts of white Southern voters.

These themes appealed to a much broader audience than racist white Southerners. In 1968, concern over the growing power of Washington bureaucrats, the rising crime rate, and riots on college campuses and at national political conventions was rising throughout the nation.

By the way, in his book The Winning Side--The Case For Goldwater Republicanism (Putnam's, 1963), Ralph de Toledano provided evidence that in the South, white racists tended to vote for Democrats, while a growing, nonracist conservative element was increasingly voting Republican.

61 posted on 06/08/2008 8:29:08 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 60Gunner

But I’m not quite so ready to live in that toilet while waiting for the great revival as some on this site seem to be.

It’s hard to enjoy shouting ‘I told you so, while floating around with t**ds.


62 posted on 06/08/2008 8:39:14 AM PDT by altura (NO-bama!)
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To: vietvet67
Conservatives have a cure for wage stagnation and inequality. It is called education reform. Conservatives have a cure for inequality. It is called Social Security reform and aims to get lower-income Americans onto the wealth creation ladder. But we can't enact reform because Democrats won't let us.

Those are slow, academic cures that won't appeal in the political arena to voters who demand instant solutions. Democrats have no moral issues with lying about the supposedly immediate effects of their proposals (usually, tax increases on people the public dislikes, anyway) so they get the votes.

63 posted on 06/08/2008 8:39:22 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: 60Gunner
When the American people see the truth- that is, how utterly ruinous, dehumanizing and lethal the lie of liberalism really is- they will flush the toilet and return to the principles upon which our country was founded

And when will that happen? How much more do they have to see before they have had enough?
64 posted on 06/08/2008 9:20:40 AM PDT by Perdogg (McCain for President, 2008)
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To: vietvet67

Someone forgot the “barf alert”...


65 posted on 06/08/2008 9:23:38 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Arkinsaw

I agree, and it goes much beyond that, as well. Surely the labor movement in the north and east was a prime mover in driving the leftist agenda toward identity politics and that was the era of “right to work “ laws and opposition to closed shops, union shops, etc. in the south.


66 posted on 06/08/2008 9:30:04 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: vietvet67

‘Upon further review’.

McCain thinks Lieberman is a Conservative. Conservatives haven’t disappeared they are just reinventing themselves as McCain supporters.


67 posted on 06/08/2008 9:40:15 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Perdogg

Perdogg: “I do not believe the Govt should be there to pick up people after they have screwed up their own life. Therefore, my beliefs cannot be characterize as “liberalism”.”

Thanks for the clarification. Realize that liberty cannot be maintained without individual morality. So, even though you and others believe government shouldn’t bail out immoral or irresponsible people, your numbers are dwarfed by those who want government to protect them from their own mistakes. That is why libertarianism cannot work. The closest we ever had to achieving something like it was in the past when Americans were more Christian. That is why you’ll find many of the older conservatives, while not necessarily religious themselves, greatly respected and encouraged the Christianity that modern libertarians seem to fear. Believe me or not, but the greatest threat to your liberty comes from the left.


68 posted on 06/08/2008 10:54:10 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Republican Who Will NOT Vote McCain!)
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To: vietvet67
Are Conservatives Dead or Resting?

No, not dead or resting. Restless, maybe. Pissed off, definitely.

What we are lacking is someone to lead and inspire. Someone to steel the spines of those who are willing to vote for McCain and sell out the Republican party.

69 posted on 06/08/2008 11:14:56 AM PDT by upsdriver (the maverick upsdriver is writing in Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: Arkinsaw

Arkinsaw: “There is nothing to be afraid of, most conservative principles stand up very well in a debate if you properly arm yourself with logic.”

What you say is true. Nearly every conservative principle can be well defended on logic. However, it’s a mistake to assume logic is all that’s involved. For every argument, the left has a counter argument. You make a point, they make a point. At some point, the discussion ends with neither side being persuaded. Why? Because the debate was never just about cold, hard facts.

Also, I completely disagree that religious arguments are irrational or not based on logic. In fact, my faith in Christ would not exist had I not read the Bible and reached the intellectual conclusion that #1 it’s an accurate and credible depiction of man’s interactions with God, #2 Christ’s wisdom and teachings are true based on my own observations of the world and the people in it, and #3 if it’s true (and I believe it is) then I’m compelled to act on it.


70 posted on 06/08/2008 11:25:34 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Republican Who Will NOT Vote McCain!)
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To: vietvet67
Do the Repubs even want conservative votes? Doesn't seem like it.

Cool, ok.
71 posted on 06/08/2008 11:41:24 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: csmusaret
I think there were never as many Conservatives as we thought

Bingo. We've been able to elect exactly ONE conservative president in all these years. Not a good track record for such a reputedly powerful voting bloc.
72 posted on 06/08/2008 12:00:52 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

Maybe we need to form a new party. Make the Repubs court our vote. Elect a farm team of state and local politicians to draw on for future Congresscritter slots.


73 posted on 06/08/2008 12:04:13 PM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is the evil of three lessers)
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To: upsdriver
The party is incapable now and for the foreseeable future, of picking a leader.

Any leader put up for examination will be dissected and reduced to trash within a few weeks.

The party is dysfunctional and vanity rules. It has devoured it's self. It must be completely rebuilt from the ground up.

The up coming election will serve to begin that process. Where it goes from there, and how long it takes will be difficult to predict, so I won't and can't say.

74 posted on 06/08/2008 12:16:01 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: csmusaret
Make the Repubs court our vote

I'm still laughing after reading that.....

The very fact that they shoved McCain in your face should tell you something.

LOL!

75 posted on 06/08/2008 12:18:13 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: Cold Heat

You oviously can’t see past the end of your nose. If conservatives were not part of the Republican party we could not be taken for granted. If a real Conservative had been running in a real Conservative Party, McCain might not have made it. Even if he were the GOP nominee we would still have someone to vote for. Who you going to vote for now?


76 posted on 06/08/2008 12:26:36 PM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is the evil of three lessers)
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To: vietvet67
We are the divided nation that Nixon Byrd, Gore Sr., Fulbright, George Wallace, LBJ and the not-so-great society, The Nation of Islam, the Black Panther Party, the Abortocrats, and legions of miscellaneous useful idiots created.
77 posted on 06/08/2008 12:51:16 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
And for the last 20 years, “No fight in this dog”!

Amen.

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78 posted on 06/08/2008 12:54:10 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: Perdogg

Wasn’t it Huckabee who said that he wanted to make “God’s law” our law?

I don’t know if he did or not, but either way it wouldn’t be a theocracy. Which theological position do you want our laws based on? The insistence that laws not be based on some religion is still equally theocratic.


79 posted on 06/08/2008 7:27:54 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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To: baclava

Just think - we coulda had Mitt - but noooooooo, wasted days and wasted nights waiting for another Ronny.

Would Mitt have been an improvement over McCain? I’m not sure.


80 posted on 06/08/2008 7:30:44 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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