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Senate Democrats May Pull Climate Bill
Washington Post ^ | June 6, 2008 | Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin

Posted on 06/06/2008 5:31:52 AM PDT by libstripper

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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Too bad the GOP’s standard bearer this year is for this Cap and Trade nonsense.


21 posted on 06/06/2008 6:37:48 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: MrB
Nuclear energy to produce electricity. Electricity can be used to split water and extract hydrogen which can be burned in a (highly) modified internal combustion engine so that we can have the power and performance we’re used to.

How does that compare in efficiency and ease of use to just running electric cars? Hydrogen is tough to work with and has a low energy density by volume so that it takes a very large, high pressure tank to compare to the typical 15-gallon (5.6 megajoules/liter when compressed at 700 atm. compared to 34.6 MJ/L for gasoline).

We already have the infrastructure for electricity delivery, but we don't have one for hydrogen yet.

22 posted on 06/06/2008 7:03:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: KarlInOhio

If the goal is performance and acceleration, my method probably would have been the way to go, say, 10-15 yrs ago. I conced that hydrogen is hard to contain, it leaks, and it’s dangerous.

Probably the way to go today would be, as you say, direct use of electricity. Improvements have been made in battery storage and in the motors so that we can get performance nearly on par with gasoline motors, now or in the foreseeable future.


23 posted on 06/06/2008 7:13:39 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yep, it is totally amazing to watch the incompetence of the GOP (so-called) leadership. It’s as if they want to lose.
Thank God for Mitch McConnell, at least he has the guts to fight back in the Senate.


24 posted on 06/06/2008 7:19:05 AM PDT by WeldonsRight (Right and (apparently) wrong at the same time)
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To: libstripper
Even more important, take a look at the comments. The only posters who make solid, scientific comments are the anti-GW posters. We might just be starting to win the battle of ideas on this issue

...pushing this bill just as gas spikes to $4/gallon is the single most stupid act by the Dem's since pushing Hillary-care. Also consider the global cooling over the past year & a half - yes, i believe the tide is starting to turn...

25 posted on 06/06/2008 8:08:29 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: libstripper
On Wednesday, a group of GOP senators asked that the clerk of the Senate read the entire 491-page bill aloud, an extremely rare request. That took more than 10 hours.

Maybe that is exactly what should be done with EVERY bill. There would be a lot less BS bills coming out of DC and less $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ being spent by congress.

26 posted on 06/06/2008 8:40:32 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Typical white person, bitter, religious, gun owner, who will "Just say No to BO in Nov.")
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To: libstripper; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Fiddlstix; Timeout; Entrepreneur; ...
 



Calculate your one-day Carbon Belch !

27 posted on 06/06/2008 3:51:18 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: libstripper; normy; Graybeard58; scooby321; Beagle8U; Freedom'sWorthIt; Arkansas Toothpick; ...
Question #1...

Some environmentalists said the current legislation, co-sponsored by Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) and John W. Warner (R-Va.), is too weak, in any case. The bill aims to stabilize atmospheric carbon concentrations at 488 parts per million, rather than at 350 parts per million, which climate scientists such as NASA's James E. Hansen see as necessary.

"Any bill that does not set us on track to reduce atmospheric carbon levels to 350 parts per million is wishful and dangerous thinking," wrote Kierán Suckling, of the Center for Biological Diversity, in an e-mail. "We're thankful the bill was introduced, but more thankful that it did not pass."

Why 350 ppm? Because Hansen, the man who has declared he on a mission to prevent the "destruction of Creation" says so?

Why not 400 ppm? Or why not 500? Shouldn't it be obvious to the nitwits writing about this that greenhouses artificially pump up the level of CO2 for a reason?

The Importance of Carbon Dioxide (Co2) for Healthy Plant Growth

Question #2...

As several have noted, Republican Senators seemed to grow a spine. They fought hard and performed good works.

Advance to 2009. If a President McCain were supporting this legislation and twisting GOP arms, would Republicans fight so vigorously in opposition? Would Democrats be able to peel off eight to ten RINOs to get them to the magic 60 votes?

28 posted on 06/07/2008 5:06:06 AM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

Click this link.

http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/

Go to the bottom of the page and listen to Senator Cornyn of Texas. He basically said, “Up yours, boxer.”

I think I’ll go to his website and thank him and also ask he and other senators call for the entire reading of every bill and stall the heck out of the DUmmie legislation.


29 posted on 06/07/2008 5:23:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Typical white person, bitter, religious, gun owner, who will "Just say No to BO in Nov.")
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To: Entrepreneur
Would Democrats be able to peel off eight to ten RINOs to get them to the magic 60 votes?

the dirty little secret is that the Dem's have never had all their Senators behind a drastic GW bill like this...so it would take a few more Rino's, I suspect.

30 posted on 06/09/2008 7:53:44 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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