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To: Mr Rogers

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Air Force has problems. When an entire branch of the military is run by pilots, you get a very unbalanced approach. What should happen in this instance is the highest ranking AF specops officer should be made CSAF. There needs to be a serious shift in the way the AF thinks and it needs to start both at the top and bottom. The pipeline kids coming out of basic training that I went to tech school with were a joke. They got ONE day of training on the M-16!

Let me write that again to emphasize my point. They got ONE day of training on the M16 in basic! In a professional military that becomes smaller and smaller, where Air Force and even Navy personnel are being cross-tasked into potential combat duties, that is unacceptable!

Now don’t get me wrong, AF spec ops guys are just as high speed as their counterparts. AF security forces get just plain awesome weapons training compared to what I saw in the Army. When I was shooting competetively with the NG the majority of really good pistol guys at the nationals were the AF security forces. That being said, the rest of the AF has no freakin’ clue about defending themselves.

I’m beginning to think that the military needs to go to a “comprehensive boot camp” mentality where all of the services new recruits go through the same blocks of training to include hand to hand fighting, bayonet training, BRM (basic rifle marksmanship) based on the USMC model, and all the other stuff like first aid/combat lifesaving etc...

The USMC model of “Everyone is a Rifleman first” should be every single services way of thinking. Yes, that means you too AF and Navy.

I also think that potential officers should go through the same exact boot camp as everyone else. I don’t care if you spent 4 years in ROTC or got an appointment to an academy. If GI Joe can do it, then you can do it also. (probably) Such a policy would prevent uncomfortable situations like an Air National Guard General having to be shown how to eat an MRE. (yes I really saw that happen)


9 posted on 06/05/2008 6:50:47 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Tailback
I’m beginning to think that the military needs to go to a “comprehensive boot camp” mentality where all of the services new recruits go through the same blocks of training to include hand to hand fighting, bayonet training, BRM (basic rifle marksmanship) based on the USMC model, and all the other stuff like first aid/combat lifesaving etc...

That cuts out most females...

10 posted on 06/05/2008 7:10:43 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Tailback

What in the world makes you think M-16 training is a critical skill for the USAF?

If we have someone deploying in a role where the M-16 is needed, we train them. Before going to Afghanistan, I qualified on the Army course at Ft Sill.

However, the M-16 is irrelevant for the vast majority of our people. We don’t DO hand-to-hand fighting. You cannot launch aircraft that way!

As a WSO/EWO, I’ve taken my fair share of shots at pilots, but pilots are not what is wrong with the USAF. Too many reductions leading to a one-mistake Air Force (unless you are senior, in which case you can screw up ALMOST as often as you want), too many data-links leading to the stifling of initiative, and too many GOs who got their rank because Daddy was a GO before them - that is where our problem lies.

It is a lack of leadership at the top - yes, and a lack of seriousness about the war we are in. But it isn’t just the USAF - the Army ran Afghanistan, and I saw little or no sign of intelligence or efficiency in the senior ranks there, either.


11 posted on 06/05/2008 7:12:05 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (No matter who wins the Presidency, it will be an enemy of the Constitution...)
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