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To: ichabod1
We are much like people drifting down the Niagara River, oblivious to the waterfalls up ahead. Once we go over those falls, we cannot come back up again.

I think that this particular vision is occurring to more and more people. Lately, I've had strangers come up to me and voice their fears. They know something wicked's coming their way, but they just can't completely put a finger on it.

You may well be right about immantentizing the eschaton. Given what we've seen of our presidential wanna-bes, it may well be better to get it on now and participate in that animated contest for liberty. With an Obama presidency, we'd see the true face of evil. Perhaps that's the wake-up call that America's sleeping patriots need.

Titus Livy, ancient Roman historian, wrote in his introduction to his History of Rome that his purpose in writing was, "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

FRiends - that dark day has almost certainly dawned here. Those who think otherwise are whistling past the graveyard. Livy was right on the money then. As he is now. What remedies do we need to rid ourselves of our modern day versions of the vices that contributed to Rome's decline and fall? And who has the courage to apply those remedies?

56 posted on 06/05/2008 8:29:36 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and pick up a gun.)
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To: Noumenon

There are many vices we could analogize to the Livy thesis. But I’ll limit myself to our current credit crisis for right now. So very many people are groaning under the strain of ever mounting debt that they aren’t going to be able to pay off in this lifetime. Yet, who is ready to face the consequences in terms of the massive depression and realignment of society that is going to take place when the credit monster pitches us from its back like a snorting bull in the rodeo. No one, that’s who.


100 posted on 06/05/2008 1:57:26 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Noumenon
I've had strangers come up to me and voice their fears. They know something wicked's coming...

I've experienced that too. With some of the types that usually never worry...

135 posted on 06/05/2008 6:28:38 PM PDT by GOPJ ( World Series - it's how many games are won, not total runs. Same for Hillary's "total vote" crap.)
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To: Noumenon

I know it sounds crazy, but I have dreams of the same type I had before 911.

Two nights ago another one...

I also had these same dreams for one solid week before the Aero Mexico Jet crashed about a mile from my home in Cerritos, CA.

Sorry... I know some don’t hold to this type of thing here - always have had premonition dreams that herald challenges.


145 posted on 06/05/2008 10:32:27 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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