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We Have Done Terrible Damage
Der Spiegel ^ | 6/3/08 | Cordula Meyer and Gabor Steingart

Posted on 06/04/2008 6:01:01 PM PDT by Obadiah

SPIEGEL: Senator Hagel, your friend and Republican presidential candidate John McCain says that the United States Army has a moral obligation to stay in Iraq. Is he right?

Hagel: We have responsibilities, no doubt about it. We invaded Iraq, we are occupying Iraq and we have made Iraq dependent on us. By our actions we have done terrible damage to our own country and undermined our interests in the world.

SPIEGEL: What are the consequences?

Hagel: Our first moral obligation is to our own people whom we keep sending back to Iraq again and again. Four-thousand US soldiers have given their lives, over 30,000 have been wounded, many seriously. I just got an e-mail today from the father of a helicopter pilot. His son is going back to Iraq for the fifth time. That is not acceptable.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: 110th; hagel; hagelthehorrible; iraq; rino; wot
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Hagel's wife donated to Obama's campaign. With this interview it's clear Hagel is begging for a position with Obama. That he would stab his Party in the back to a foreign news service is galling, but not surprising. Why is it that Republicans always attract the cowardly, back-stabbing traitors?
1 posted on 06/04/2008 6:01:03 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

Who could have imagined in 2004 that a Republican senator would get away with this?


2 posted on 06/04/2008 6:02:27 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: Obadiah

Chuck Hagel is a scumbag, I hope Barry asks him to be his running mate.


3 posted on 06/04/2008 6:03:40 PM PDT by moose2004 (y)
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To: Obadiah

Senator from where?

Basra?


4 posted on 06/04/2008 6:04:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: buck jarret
Who would have imagined in 2004 that we would have a liberal environmentalist as our presidential nominee.
5 posted on 06/04/2008 6:04:50 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Obadiah

Der Weasel in Der Spiegel.


6 posted on 06/04/2008 6:05:21 PM PDT by AHerald ("Be faithful to God ... do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish." - St. Pio of Pietrelcina)
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To: Obadiah

We have such RINO’s because the R-Party doesn’t vet their applicants.


7 posted on 06/04/2008 6:08:43 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Obadiah

He and McClellan have a lot in common.


8 posted on 06/04/2008 6:09:29 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: Obadiah

Chuck Hagel showed his true colors long ago.

Obviously, Hagel never was a conservative.


9 posted on 06/04/2008 6:09:43 PM PDT by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote in November --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: chaos_5
Who would have imagined in 2004 that we would have a liberal environmentalist as our presidential nominee.

We've been barreling downhill since Reagan with no end in sight. Hell, we even talked ourselves into W being a Conservative.
10 posted on 06/04/2008 6:13:12 PM PDT by WackySam (We Conservatives must return to voting for those who share our values- not against those who don't.)
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To: buck jarret
LOL. Why do you think he's not running again?

he's just a typical RINO. He ran as a R because he couldn't be elected as a D. Now he can't be elected as an R anymore either.

At one time the Nebraska delegation was ENTIRELY R's. It's a conservative state. No WAY Hagel would get relected there knowing him as the people of NE do now.

11 posted on 06/04/2008 6:16:44 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: WackySam
Got a call from the R senatorial committee yesterday.

Black lady, started telling me how bad things would get with Schumer in charge and ...

I stopped her and told her that it was no longer my problem. The day that John "Maverick" McCain becomes the leading republican and the nominee of the GOP is the day that I leave the party. Then I hung up.

Watching that nominating process with interest.

12 posted on 06/04/2008 6:19:49 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: Obadiah

Hagel is a nit-wit.

The fundamental problem is not that the Arabs (and Iranians, and etc.) don’t trust the US, its that the US CAN’T trust the Arabs (and Iranians and etc.). That whole negotiation business is beside the point.

The queer thing here is that if there is anyone the Arabs (and Iranians and etc.) DO trust, its the US. They certainly know better than to trust each other

Nor the Europeans either, not that it matters very much in their case, as they are impotent. That was Rumsfeld & Co.’s realization. Long ago they were useful in keeping off the communists. Now they are useless for anything at all. Hagel and his ilk are living in the past.


13 posted on 06/04/2008 6:20:09 PM PDT by buwaya
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We have such RINO’s because the R-Party doesn’t vet their applicants.

Doesn't say much for Republican voters who vote for these clymers and send money to the party.

14 posted on 06/04/2008 6:22:40 PM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Obadiah
The three amigos:


15 posted on 06/04/2008 6:25:47 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: Dahoser
I'm sure i'll get flamed, and the ad nauseum then you'll vote for Obama/Hillary, but I don't even care anymore.

I'm stopping the money and the voting. Period.

They're going to pass the same amnesty which is my main issue.

And they're going to pass the same globull warming horse hockey which is my secondary issue.

And they're all going to appoint the same limp wristed judges.

So why bother to vote for one.

The lesser of 2 evils is still evil and I won't be party to it anymore.

16 posted on 06/04/2008 6:27:32 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: Obadiah

Hagel is either blind or hishonest.
What damage has the war done to our country? The only thing I can think of is that disappointment in the war has put the country in danger of returning to the days of Jimmy Carter. There is a case to be made, even if Bush and Rice are incapable of making it, that we have had success, even if it is hard to see. IN todays WSJ, Fouad Ajami does this. . “It is not easy to tell people of threats and dangers they have been spared,” says Ajami. The public has taken the lack of recent attacks on American interests to mean that there were no dangers in the first place. The Left is convinced that Al Qaeda is a mere bogey man. It cannot admit that the “surge” prevented Al Qaeda from establishing a base right in the middle of Iraq, and more importantly, discredited Al Qaeda in the minds of many Arabs. In this respect, the surge recapitulated the early success in Afghanistan. Furthermore, its lessons are not being applied in Afghanistan against the Taliban. “Clear, hold, and build”
ought to work even better than in Iraq because the Afghanis are tougher troops.


17 posted on 06/04/2008 6:32:43 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: Dahoser

“Doesn’t say much for Republican voters who vote for these clymers and send money to the party.”

What can I say other than your right. The RINO’s and now even the Dems campaign to the Right. Once elected they shed their facades, and become the Leftists, or Leftist enablers they really are.

They need to be vetted thoroughly, and sign a Conservative pledge before they can claim an “R” designation.


18 posted on 06/04/2008 6:34:31 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Reagan Man
You are absolutely on the mark. Heckle is a narcissist so in love with the sound of his own voice that he is not able to discern the harm that his words do to the the very troops he claims to care about so much. The truly sad part is that his Vietnam service should have taught him something about the matter at hand. He belongs in the same category as Kerry when it comes to supporting our men and women in harm's way.

In September '07, he made- IMHO- the best statement of his political career- "I will not seek a third term in the United States Senate, nor do I intend to be a candidate for any office in 2008."
19 posted on 06/04/2008 6:35:22 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Obadiah

those are all denver bronco supporters in nebraska,

you hafta wonder why they vote for hagel.


20 posted on 06/04/2008 6:36:40 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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