Posted on 06/03/2008 6:33:07 PM PDT by anymouse
India's tech companies, interested in capitalizing on their success in drawing IT outsourcing business from U.S. and other Western countries, are examining what they need to do to capture a broader range of the engineering services business.
The National Association of Software and Service Companies in Delhi, India's leading IT trade group, commissioned a study by Booz Allen Hamilton Inc., a McLean, Va.-based consulting firm, to examine the country's potential to gain a larger share of the offshore engineering services business, going beyond software engineering to a swath of industries, including automotive, aerospace, utilities, construction and industrial.
The Booz Allen report is almost breathless in describing India's potential to provide engineering services, but it also details two problems the country has to address to make it happen: the quality of its infrastructure, including ports, roads, airports and telecom, and the quality of its education.
"A new window of opportunity is opening now for India," wrote Booz Allen, of the engineering services market.
Worldwide, about $750 billion is spent on engineering services, the report said, and the figure is expected to reach $1 trillion by 2020. Of the amount now spent on engineering services, only $10 billion to $15 billion is done by offshore vendors, with India getting about 12% of that offshored work, according to the report.
Today, about 35,000 engineers in India work in engineering services, but by 2020, the country may need as many as 250,000 to reach its potential as an engineering services provider, the report said.
Vikas Sehgal, a principal at Booz Allen in Chicago, said the need for offshore engineering services in India will be driven by demand for people with these skills. In Europe, and in Germany and France, in particular, aging workers and attrition are creating a gap in available engineering skills, he said. This is happening at the same time that companies need more engineers to build products, even as productivity tools improve, he said.
For instance, Sehgal said it takes more engineering time today then it did a decade go to build a car because of increasing complexity and electronics, pointing out there are "more electronics in a toy car today than a reasonably good car had in the 1990s."
Although India and China, for that matter, are often said to be outproducing the U.S. in engineering talent, the up-close picture produces a different set of results. The Booz Allen report points out that "although India has almost 1,400 engineering schools, only a handful of schools are recognized as providing a world-class education." Moreover, "interviews with vendors suggest that recruiters consider candidates from only a fraction of these schools."
Although India was producing 220,000 engineers with bachelor degrees in 2005-06 compared with 129,000 in the same year in the U.S., a recent study in the Journal of Engineering Education found it is not an apples-to-apples comparison when the quality of the graduates are considered.
Similar to the point raised by Booz Allen, the journal notes that despite the higher numbers of engineering graduates in India, "many large companies complain of difficulty in finding qualified graduates."
Although the number of Indian engineering graduates is on the rise, "many large companies complain of difficulty in finding qualified graduates." (The study, which appeared in the January issue of the journal, is titled "Getting the Numbers Right: International Engineering Education in the United States, China and India" and was written by Duke University faculty members, Gary Gereffi, Vivek Wadhwa, Ben Rissing and Ryan Ong.)
The journal Foreign Affairs, in its May/June issue, published an essay adapted from The Post-American World, a book by Newsweek International editor Fareed Zakaria, that looks for similarities in Britain's decline as a world power with the problems facing the U.S. today. It also looks at engineering education.
"The best and brightest in China and India -- those who, for example, excel at India's famous engineering academies, the Indian Institutes of Technology (5,000 out of 300,000 applicants make it past the entrance exams) -- would do well in any educational system. But once you get beyond such elite institutions -- which graduate under 10,000 students a year -- the quality of higher education in China and India remains extremely poor, which is why so many students leave those countries to get trained abroad," writes Zakaria.
The threat to the U.S. comes from its own educational priorities, Sehgal said. If students reject engineering and math as career paths, the U.S. won't have enough engineers and its future will be less bright, he said. As far as India's need to improve its own educational system, while schools in India don't have enough laboratories, tools and other things needed today, the demand for these skills is there, and engineering remains a very desirable career path, he said.
"People want to be engineers" in India, said Sehgal, adding that he believes the country's quality issues will be fixed over time.
I want cheap lawyers so I can sue liberals.
I want more offshored legal jobs!
Too late. It's already happening.
And while we’re at it. Can we offshore Congress. I want cheaper government!
“Many, many engineering jobs in America require a US clearance...”
Many many positions requiring cleared people are currently filled by non or naturalized citizens.
Yep, and opportunity to talk to F. Lee Sanjuba Visweswaran. ;-)
“Can we offshore Congress. I want cheaper government!”
Wouldn’t make a difference. Our Congress is already massively influenced by offshore contacts. Its our money, knowledge, and power they want. They won’t stop until its all gone.
They simply don’t have the skills. Working with physical objects is very different from working with abstract code, and they are not that way inclined. Of course, they can do well on written tests, but you want guys who had 500 tools and could take apart cars by the time they were 12.
The Chinese would be more suitable, except for the language barrier.
Are people finally waking up?
Will they address this in an intelligent and competitive matter, taking Indian competition head on, or go the ostrich-syndrome way or just disengage, blame and "take our marbles home"?
This future situation of what America faces worldwide, like it or not, should be a top issue in the presidential campaign between McCain, Obama, Barr and Baldwin.
I for one would like to hear some thoughts on it and strategies.
Good thinking.
Yep, this fall I will be quiting my engineering job to back to graduate school in a health profession. Its a shame too, I just graduated two years ago as a BSME and BSEE but working as an engineer just wasn’t rewarding.
And professional licenses...
That’s not true. Since 911, It takes at least a year and a half to get a Top secret clearance, people with clearances now are hot commodities. Many projects can only be done by US citizens. There is a vacuum right now in power engineering. A lot of engineers are either retiring or going into management. The A/E I work for is having trouble finding mechanical and structural engineers.
As someone who got his PE in 1975 and who has been back to WA DC to lobby legislators on the crisis in engineering education and US R&D policy, I would appreciate a few insights.
Could you share with me what you mean by not rewarding?
What part of health care do you feel will be more rewarding? Thank you.
Unless they have gotten a lot smarter than the camel jock engineering students that I went to school with back in the 60’s, it ain’t happening.
Many Indian “programmers” cannot program their way out of a paper bag. I’m sure those from the better schools aren’t good, but don’t confuse quantity with quality. We see many Indians at our graduate program—their ability is binary: either very good or very bad. Even those who are very good analytically tend to be poor programmers. Also, they often copy off each other (blatently so) and rip off whole pages from online sources for papers (without reference). The latter is funny because its so easy to spot the sections where the English goes from marginal to perfect.
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Many Indian “programmers” cannot program their way out of a paper bag. I’m sure those from the better schools are good, but don’t confuse quantity with quality. We see many Indians at our graduate program—their ability is binary: either very good or very bad. Even those who are very good analytically tend to be poor programmers. Also, they often copy off each other (blatently so) and rip off whole pages from online sources for papers (without reference). The latter is funny because its so easy to spot the sections where the English goes from marginal to perfect.
I’ve heard jokes about India having the “Ing” title (like Spanish speaking countries) for Engineers. Like a Doctor. It’s prestigious.
And they even give that wonderful title to the guy who fixes the toaster, who is an engineer in a village where most cannot read.
I believe the outsourcing to India because they have so many “good engineers” is for ONE basic reason:
The Indian engineers will work for about 1/3 of what American engineers will work for. The experience I have had working with Indian engineers is that you can’t understand anything they are saying and their work leaves a LOT to be desired. A 10-15 year engineer from India performs at about an entry-level US guy.
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