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1 posted on 06/02/2008 7:53:38 AM PDT by Doctor13
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Yeah, poll active duty personnel and see if they want draftees working along side them. This whole article is crap.


2 posted on 06/02/2008 7:58:47 AM PDT by Sax
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Short answer: no.

My husband's Reserve unit in the latter part of the Vietnam era had tons of problems with the folks who didn't want to be there. He thought they were more trouble than they were worth. There were a couple that they were about ready to knock on the head with an iron bar and dump in the sewer rather than put up with their B.S. any longer. Technically you had the option to send them active as punishment, but the Regular Army didn't want them either (natch) and would tie any referral up in red tape.

The officers all breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when Nixon stopped the draft.

3 posted on 06/02/2008 7:59:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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While I think that military service will help every young person and they all should be encouraged to join I think the draft is a mistake.


4 posted on 06/02/2008 8:00:23 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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Must be an election year. New Democrat scare tactic “If you vote for Republicans they will draft your kids”. Pulled this crap in 2004, 2006 and here it comes for 2008.

There is not one person in the US Military Command who thinks this would be a good idea.


5 posted on 06/02/2008 8:01:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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Is It Time To Bring Back The Draft?

No.
6 posted on 06/02/2008 8:02:12 AM PDT by mysterio
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The libtard dope smoking hippie protestors cannot get any traction on their anti-war agenda with a volunteer military. They need a draft to become relevant again.


7 posted on 06/02/2008 8:02:30 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The Second Amendment is the Contitutions reset button)
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,i>Names of all eligible draftees should be placed in a lottery. If your name is drawn - you go. If your name is not drawn - you don't

That was what President Nixon did in 1969.

8 posted on 06/02/2008 8:03:53 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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No.


9 posted on 06/02/2008 8:04:25 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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If we had fought World War II the way we are fighting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan today, our official language would be German. Instead of the kid-glove restrictions imposed on how we treat the Islamo-fascists

Conventional War against a conventional nation state is vastly and totally different then Counter Insurgents against a terrorist movement. It utterly absurd to argue that we need to adopt the tactics of the first in order to fight that latter.

10 posted on 06/02/2008 8:04:44 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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The battle for Iwo Jima was another costly campaign. What started as a quick, violent attack on February 19, 1945, turned into 36 days of some of the fiercest and bloodiest fighting the Marines had encountered. The first day saw 2,400 American casualties. By the end of the campaign 71,245 Marines had been put ashore; of these, 5,931 were killed in action, and 17,372 wounded and, in all, Allied forces suffered 27,909 casualties, with 6,825 killed in action. Those are the brutal consequences of war.

Just read a book about this battle (So Sad to Fall in Battle) written from the Japanese perspective.

The Japs at the time were just as committed to death and killing as the mulsim terrorist are today. Their goal was to kill as many Americans as possible, as then kill just one more as they died in glory for the emperor. Their goal was to inflict so many American casualties that the Americans would think twice about invading Japan or look for negotiations.

The Japs made good on their plan. It is one of the few pacific battles in which the Americans took more casualties than the Japanese (WIA + KIA).

In the end, the Americans won by massive firepower and killing anything that moved. One line that sticks out in my mind when the Japs were watching the Americans advance with flamethrowers, tanks and infantry, "They fight like they are exterminating insects."

Yep.

11 posted on 06/02/2008 8:05:02 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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“What is the difference today? The answer is that we are a much different country from the America I grew up in during World War II. We expect war without casualties. Politicians subordinate the war effort and the lives of our military to their political ambitions. The media sensationalizes every enemy attack and questions every action of our military, causing many to question, is it worth it?”

And thus we have an “unpopular” war.

Even “conservatives” here and elsewhere, are willing to swallow this leftist propaganda as established fact.


12 posted on 06/02/2008 8:06:22 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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I would support a supplemental draft - to wit:

The military gets to first attempt to fill their required slots. If any slots go wanting at the end of a 6 months cycle. Then those slots are fill by the closest degree to MOS match that can be made.

The draft pool would consist of the following stages. Stage 1 would be those college graduates who received Government grants. Stage two would be those college graduates who received interest free student loans. Stage three would be those college graduates who received government backed loans. Stage four would be those otherwise receiving government aid (well fare, subsidized housing, etc), and then Stage five the Selective Service registration. Lastly Stage six would be the general population.

However, draft should be limited to four years for non-combat, highly skilled positions and two years for combat positions (Active duty). The remaining balance of eight years to be served in Reserve/National Guard or civil service positions.

13 posted on 06/02/2008 8:06:45 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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The Dems would love to have the draft if for no other reason than to accuse whatever future Rep administration of forcing unwilling draftees to fight an unpopular war. The argument would have more sting than attacking the all volunteer force.


14 posted on 06/02/2008 8:07:02 AM PDT by saganite
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Rangel’s cunning little thought process was all too transparent:

Cripple the military by filling it with unwilling conscripts.

Bring back those happy, golden years of anti-draft demonstrations and campus riots.


16 posted on 06/02/2008 8:11:53 AM PDT by sinanju
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Great article: despite the grammar, it poses an interesting question.

I am in favor of Compulsory Military Service, as opposed to a Draft.


18 posted on 06/02/2008 8:15:50 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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The Draft wouldn’t work in todays America, that’s why we have an all volunteer military (supported by reserve units and the National Guard) After Viet Nam started the quality of draftees slowly eroded until my US Army became a cesspool.....
In todays world it would be impossible,( being politicaly correct and all) to baby sit the youth of this nation.....

Our country has degenerated into some kind of “resident brat” society...People from my generation are allowing their weak, self indulgent kids, and broken homed, grand kids to move into their houses with their little bastards, who come from single parent homes....

Hey, lets face it, this country is dryin’ up!!! Haaa! Haaa!

Soon well have to put women in our infantry line outfits, becaue NO able bodied red blooded,American male will stop volunteering for the military.....especially with the Dems in power because the Dems refuse to give the military the resorcess to fight a war to the finish...They thwart eveything in congress)
Women will run the military(thanks to political correctness) We’ll have a disaster on our hands.

The draft makes NO sense!


19 posted on 06/02/2008 8:16:02 AM PDT by Old Phone Man (ks)
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"What is the difference today? The answer is that we are a much different country from the America I grew up in during World War II. We expect war without casualties"

To fight a war, the nation has to be committed. A nation is committed by declaring war, officially not implied or otherwise. WW II was declared, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq were not. Without a war declaration you have a divided nation unwilling to provide the WW II overwhelming ground force needed to fight boots on the ground warfare.

Bush, nor have other world leaders, been able to rally their nation in a supreme effort as Roosevelt and Churchill did.

20 posted on 06/02/2008 8:18:13 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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does it mean that they are to be sent back into battle time and time again

That's the job they signed up for. Why do the same to someone who did NOT sign up for that job? especially when there ARE enough people signed/ing up for the job?

Like most such "bring back the draft" articles, the point isn't to make our fighting force more effective, it's to spread the pain until the general population says "STOP!".

An under-reported fact is that the "elite" (high politicians, etc.) have disproportionately more offspring in combat, ergo the "the powerful don't feel it" argument is wrong.

21 posted on 06/02/2008 8:19:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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No, no, a thousand times no!


22 posted on 06/02/2008 8:26:31 AM PDT by devere
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Not until a democrat is POTUS, then we can bleame everything on them.


24 posted on 06/02/2008 8:31:30 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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