see my #40.

I have learned that communicating with my senators and congressmen DOES have an impact.

Okay, I need an uplifting story along these lines. Give me some hope. How has communicating with your representatives made an impact?

I hate to sound cynical, but from the local school board on up, I've found that no one in elected office really cares what their constituents think, unless it lines up with their personal agenda. But then, I give money to charities, not politicians.

So “conserving” in the US would be futile and would only turn the US into a third world country, run by enviro-dictators, whose real objective is indeed the control and destruction of the US. If they were truly concerned about “global warming”, they would embrace nuclear energy.

But they don't want energy, they want power.

In physics books, we learn that power is the amount of energy expended for a given unit of time.

But the environazis aren't interested in that kind of power.

They want power of people.

They want power over humanity.

They want power over me, you and all of us.

What motivates the dictatorial urge of the leftist? That's the fundamental question of our age.

the same communism that uses jihadis as its shock troops

That's right. The fall of the Soviet Union was a blow to them, but they've recovered nicely. They are making advances across the globe, particularly here in the USA. They are making a comeback here that will rival their strength back in the commie days of commie FDR.

We will then be promised “peace, Land and bread”.

By all means do so!

Dictatorships always get down to controlling the children..Btw, you are a thought criminal!

I don’t know about Chile or Indonesia. I think we have to stand and fight here, for our country.

By the way, did you read the comments at the end of the article?

Many are interesting.

Here’s one:

“Charles K. forgot to mention that the founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, has stated that when the Berlin Wall fell, all the marxist/communists have migrated to the environmentalist movement. Patrick is now very pro-nuclear power.”

Ping to 37.

More greenie death wish quotes. Excerpted from http://www.oicu2.com/afc/mixedquotes.html

“People are the cause of all the problems; we have too many of them; we
need to get rid of some of them, and this (ban of DDT) is as good a way
as any.” Charles Wurster, Environmental Defense Fund

“Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.” John Davis,
editor of Earth First! Journal

“In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas
of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970

“Five years is all we have left if we are going to preserve any kind of quality in the world.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970

“In a decade, America’s mighty rivers will have reached the boiling point.”
-—Edwin Newman, Earth Day 1970 (GLOBAL WARMING)

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global
mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about
twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” -—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution
and global cooling, Earth Day 1970. (GLOBAL COOLING)

“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of
global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of
economic socialism and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth, former U.S.
Senator (D-Colorado)

“The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated
that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases
it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency.”
Pope John Paul I

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed —
and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken

“’Protecting the Environment’ is a ruse. The goal is the political and
economic subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of
preserving nature.” J. H. Robbins

“There is nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine . . . been
here 4 1/2 billion years. We’ve been here, what, a 100,000 years, maybe
200,000. And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry a little over 200
years. 200 years versus 4 1/2 billion. And we have the conceit to think
that somehow we’re a threat? The planet isn’t going away. We are.”
George Carlin (Making fun of socialists)

The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare
statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion
of credit.... In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to
protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe
store of value.... Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the “hidden”
confiscation of wealth.... [Gold] stands as a protector of property
rights. 1966 Alan Greenspan

Global Sustainability requires: “the deliberate quest of poverty . . .
reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King

“Allowing the EPA to condone continued use of a chemical whenever the
benefits outweighs the risks is absolutely anathema to the environmental
community.” Janet Hathaway, Natural Resources Defense Council

The Environmentalist’s Dream is an Egalitarian Society based on:
rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the
food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of
resources much more equally. Aaron Wildavsky

“A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect.” Richard Benedict,
State Dept. employee working on assignment from the Conservation
Foundation

“...the only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another
United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of
cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to
stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is
important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer
economically by virtue of our stopping them.” Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund

“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation
of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
Thomas Jefferson

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge
to rule.” H. L.Mencken

“Nuclear power must be dealt with irrationally. . . . Nuclear plants are
carcinogens. Let’s get that story out. . . . Their lies will catch up to
them. We need endless Chernobyl reminders.” Ralph Nader

Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of
overpopulation.” Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

“The necessary consequence of an egalitarian program is the decidedly
inegalitarian creation of a ruthless power elite.” M. N. Rothbard

Global Sustainability requires: “the deliberate quest of poverty . . .
reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy . . . would be the equivalent of
giving an idiot child a machine gun.” Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“The secret to David McTaggart’s (early officer in Greenpeace) success
is the secret to Greenpeace’s success: It doesn’t matter what is true .
. . . it only matters what people believe is true . . . . You are what
the media define you to be. [Greenpeace] became a myth, and a
myth-generating machine.” Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

“. . . a year is about one-fifth of the time we have left if we are
going to preserve any kind of quality in our world.” Garrett de Bell
(1970)

“The move toward controlling less and less pollution at greater and
greater expense —until you are spending everything to control nothing
— is one of the big water quality problems we are facing in the
future.” Ernest Rosenberg

“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would
be little short of disastrous for us to discover the source of clean,
cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.” Amory
Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

“. . . the Planning Commission must say ‘no’ to development . . .
Austin, Texas, is showing us about land use . . . . “ Judge Armstrong,
Kentucky County

“It is easy to be conspicuously ‘compassionate’ if others are being
forced to pay the cost.” M. N. Rothbard

“Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a
day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and
pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (administrations),
too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to
slavery.” Thomas Jefferson

“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists
and their projects . . . We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt
dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and
return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently
settled land.” David Foreman, Earth First!

“. . . There is no such thing in America as an independent press . . .
We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes . . . Our
talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other
men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” John Swinton, former New York
Times Chief of Staff

“We have the opportunity to avoid choices like nuclear power which will
come back to haunt us 30 years from now.” Russell Peterson, National
Audubon Society President

“. . . The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence
over the needs and desires of humans.” Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands
Project

“. . . as radical environmentalists, we can see AIDS not as a problem,
but as a necessary solution.” Miss Ann Thropy (pseudonym), Earth First!
Journal

“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a
good thing . . . This is not to say that the rise of human civilization
is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much
help to the world in the long run.” Economist editorial
“Americans are a cancer on the planet.” -—Paul Ehrlich 1970

“A baby born in the U.S. represents twice the disaster for Earth as one born in Sweden or the USSR.” -—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“It is the rich who dump most of the carbon dioxide and CFC’s into the atmosphere.”
-—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“The rich are wood chipping many tropical forests in order to make cardboard to wrap their electronic products.” -—Paul Ehrlich, “Too Many Rich Folks”

“It was a misfortune for the living world in particular, many scientists believe, that a carnivorous primate and not some more benign form of animal life made the breakthrough. Our species retains hereditary traits that add greatly to our destructive impact.” -—Edward Wilson, “Is Humanity Suicidal” The New York Times Magazine: May 30, 1993

“I suspect that the politicians and businessmen who are jumping on the
environment bandwagon don’t have the slightest idea of what they are
getting into. They are talking about emission control devices on
automobiles, while we are talking about bans on automobiles.” Dennis
Hayes, Earth Day Agenda (1970)

“The invention of the concept of sustainable human development and that
of so-called human security, as opposed to territorial security of
nation-states, and its promotion by the UN is in clear contradiction to
all that we, the Group of 77, and the UN Charter itself consider
inalienable, namely national sovereignty and security.” Pranab
Mukherjee, India’s Minister of Commerce, Earth Times, 15 October 1994

“It’s (the prospect of cheap fusion energy) the worst thing that could
happen to the planet.” Jeremy Rifkin

“No case for expensive policies for safeguarding species can be made
without more extensive analysis.” Endangered Species Blueprint, National
Wilderness Institute

“If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a
killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Phillip, World
Wildlife Fund

“They want timid, helpless people who are anxious to get in touch with
their inner child, enter twelve-step programs, and run to the government
with every little problem.” Clark Stooksbury

“. . . Our production and consumption is not sustainable . . . Agenda 21
is to be implemented . . . The Texas Sustainable Energy Development
Council will develop the Texas Plan . . . The money will come from
milking the utilities and redirecting oil overcharge funds . . . . “
Commissioner Karl Rabago, Texas Public Utilities Commission

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that
about?” Maurice Strong, Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro

“Behind the honeyed but patently absurd pleas for equality is a ruthless
drive for placing ‘the new elite’ at the top of a new hierarchy of
power.” M. N. Rothbard

“Pure guesswork has become the basis of a forecast that has been
published in newspapers to be read and understood as a scientific
statement.” Endangered Species Blueprint, National Wilderness Institute

“Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must
destroy the Judeo-Christian Religious tradition.” Peter Singer, the
“Father of Animal Rights”

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under
the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the
socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened.” Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist
Presidential Candidate

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per
day.” Dr. Jacques Cousteau

“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important
part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, editor of Earth First!
Journal

“We reject the idea of private property.” Peter Berle, President of the
National Audubon Society

“Measured on virtually any scale, the world is in worse shape than it
was 20 years ago.”Dennis Hayes, Chairman of Earth Day 1990

“The world has cancer, and the cancer is man.” A. Gregg, Mankind at the
Turning Point

“This is a political game. It has nothing to do with science. It has
nothing to do with health and safety.” Sherry Neddick, Greenpeace

“Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the
freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in
the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth.” Helen Caldicott,
Union of Concerned Scientists

“The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights . .
.” Ayn Rand

“Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion.” Murray Rothbard

“No government knows any limits to its power except the endurance of the
people.” Lysander Spooner

“The real culprits are those who created a system that makes it
dangerous to work and safe to loaf.” Thomas Sowell

“The three branches of government . . . are not, in any sense,
‘branches’ since that would imply that there is something they are all
attached to besides self-aggrandizement and our pocketbooks.” P. J.
O’Rourke

Lenin on “How to attack the west” -
“Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in
sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.Get control of all
means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples’ mind off their
government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and
plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by
constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy
the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to
ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize
power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government
extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices,
inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital
industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient
attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious
argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty,
sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the
registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view that
confiscating them would leave the population defenseless.”

Vladimir Ilich Lenin
1921

I don’t know about Chile or Indonesia. I think we have to stand and fight here

No, no, no.

By "Chile", I meant this:

By "Indonesia", I meant this:

Something I wrote in 1994 that many are now picking up on.

ECO–TOTALITARIANISM

“What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven.” Quotation by F. Hoelderlin in The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek, 1944, p. 24.

The cruelest and most oppressive regimes throughout history have merged manmade religion with the power of the state. The high priests of Judea, Annas and Caiaphas, were instrumental in manipulating Pontius Pilate, a Roman ruler, to accomplish the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. In this century, communism and Nazism have been hallmarks of oppression and untold suffering. These governments used a pseudo–science to give a veneer of respectability to ideological beliefs and provide a ‘rational’ basis for their acceptance. The Nazis (National Socialists) claimed that the science of genetics proved the Aryan race to have superior abilities. The communists claimed that “scientific socialism” (Marxism–Leninism) would end poverty and exploitation of man by his fellow man. The state religion in each case offered an escape from the manufactured ‘enemy’ by establishing a counterfeit moral ideal upon which tyrannical actions could be based. This counterfeit moral basis conceals the real evil about to be committed. These historical examples recall the philosopher George Santayana's maxim, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Portions of this comparison between communism, Nazism, and environmentalism are adapted from “The Environmental Movement and the Value of Moderation,” by Brian K. Yoder (1992).

Communism

The communists essentially said, “Poverty is bad. We are opposed to poverty and want to eliminate it. To do this, we must be given the power to violate your individual rights. We are practicing the moral ideal by helping others. Trust us.”

Nazism

The Nazis’ message was only slightly different. They said, “The destruction of Germany is bad. We are opposed to this destruction and wish to stop it. To do this, we must be given the power to violate your individual rights. We are practicing the moral ideal by helping others. Trust us.”

These state religions had common characteristics:

1. A position is taken that nobody will disagree with, i.e., poverty is bad or national destruction is bad. There is absolutely no political risk in taking these positions, they are uncontroversial and require no change in opinion by the people.

2. A solution to the uncontroversial problem is offered, if only the public will grant the group coming to power the authority to violate individual rights.

3. Each predicted some kind of apocalyptic scenario would occur if the people did not listen to them. The Nazis predicted that a wealthy Jewish elite would destroy the purity of the German race and nation. The communists said that the forces of American imperialism would overrun mother Russia. In each instance, these state religions fostered an intense hatred toward the perceived enemy of the state.

4. Each movement justifies the violation of individual rights on the morality of altruism, i.e., doing ‘good’ (as the state defines ‘good’) to others is the only standard for correct behavior. Contrast this with the standard for right behavior in Matthew 22:37–38, “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.” Making ‘doing good’ to someone or something the only standard for correctness enabled these tyrannies, and the environmental party, to come to power. The people must be persuaded (via the media) to recognize this counterfeit moral ideal. If they do not, they may object to the intrusion of the state because of higher principles—for example, their Constitutional rights.

Altruism as a moral ideal means that you can deny the self–interest (individual rights) of yourself or of others in the name of ‘doing good.’ Thus, those who claim that they were harmed by the communists or the Nazis can be labeled as selfish and opposing the moral ideal (‘doing good’) of the state. The state can thus treat them without regard to their individual rights (as indeed they were). It is the motivation that must be ascertained. Service to others out of love and a genuine concern for human welfare is honorable. ‘Doing good’ to animals and plants at the expense of human welfare is devilish.

5. Each ideology resulted in millions of deaths and the enslavement of millions more (World War II, Stalinist purges, etc.)

These ideologies worked by using a bit of truth, a ‘good cause,’ to which is attached an evil and devilish ideology. This is similar to a worm on a hook. Those who swallowed the communist and Nazi ‘worm on a hook’ experienced great suffering and often death.

Environmentalism

Now compare the above description of communism and Nazism to environmentalism. The message of the environmental party is very similar: “Pollution is bad. We are opposed to pollution and want to eliminate it. To do this, we must be given the power to violate your individual rights. We are practicing the moral ideal by helping others. Trust us, we’ll do it right this time.”

The moral ideal of ‘doing good’ is now directed at animals, insects, trees, and plants rather than people. Under communism and Nazism they were directed at a specific group of people (the working class and the German race, respectively). The familiar apocalyptic predictions are now framed so that the entire biosphere is up for grabs, i.e., unless we adopt the socialist solutions proposed by the eco-religion the very future of the earth is ‘in the balance.’ The state–sponsored hatred used by the communist and Nazi regimes is now directed at all humans. For example, many members of the Green Church want to control human population by state coercion (as Communist China now practices). Environmentalism is an ideological sister to the tyrannies of Hitler and of communism. However, the human tragedy will be far worse if we allow the environmental party to reach its goal of control over the use of all natural resources.

The devil is an expert in using counterfeit causes to conceal his motives and actions. He routinely adapts his methods to the times and conditions to be most effective in drawing people away from the true God. The conditions found at various times in history have been exploited by the god of this world to set up ‘red,’ ‘brown,’ and ‘green’ tyrannies. Each tyranny also required a ‘sacred’ text that often launched it. Many consider the publication of Silent Spring in 1962 by Rachel Carson to be the birth of today’s environmental movement, with the Earth Day of 1970 its initial rise to power.

A similar comparison is made by the late Dr. Petr Beckmann, an immigrant to the United States from Czechoslovakia with first hand familiarity of the deception by which Marxism–Leninism was sold to the masses. The following account is from a visit he made to Russia and related in his newsletter Access to Energy in November 1991. (Remember that the communist system had just collapsed after 70 years and millions of deaths when reading this account.)

From Sept. 15 to 21 [1991], I was in St. Petersburg, Russia, to co–chair an international conference on non–Einsteinian space–time. I speak Russian with a thick foreign accent, but fluently, and spoke to many people, though mostly scientists. . . . Last time I was in Leningrad was in the summer of 1960, 31 years ago. . . .

I am interviewed by Smena (Shift), a newspaper for the young. It is “independent,” meaning without government subsidies, financed by shareholders, income mostly from advertising. The reporter is 17 years old, but highly intelligent. . . . He came to interview me about Einstein, but he does not know much physics, and talk about the journal I publish, Galilean Electrodynamics, turns to Access to Energy, which fascinates him. I explain about defending science against the Luddites, about the Greens and their real agenda.

“But what’s wrong with clean air and fresh water?” he objects.

“Nothing," I answer. “And what is wrong with world peace, brotherhood among the nations, and ending exploitation of man by his fellow man?”

He looks at me and now his jaw drops. Then I feel something click in this 17–year old brain. . . .

If you mean American Revolution II, to overthrow the socialist dictators, sign me up.

ping

OK we all have known this for years but other than some Talk Radio people, some great opeders like Charles, who will lead the road back to saner policies? We know that we can drill for oil domestically here and off our coasts. We know we have coal shale and real coal. We have natural gas. And we have safe nuclear plant building codes and technology. So who will be brave enough to lead a revolution in real energy reformation?? Where is the political power to force these socialists in the /Dem Party to stop communizing us?? Fuming doesn’t cut it. Action does. But, who leads it?

Good question. Here’s some thoughts:

1. Courts (akin to “State of Fear” plot element): Weather Channel founder mentioned suing Al Gore in Mar08, one British court has already mandated warnings to govt school kids due to errors in his film). Need to show harm (wouldn’t be hard IMO.)
2. What caused the Soviet Union to implode? Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Pope Paul (see “Reagan’s War” DVD). People walked up to tanks in 1991 and said, “You don’t want to do that do you - to your country men?” Direct/non-violent disobedience by thousands.
3. States are the only thing strong enough to take on the feds (see “Molon Labe” book for great scenario). Gov. Perry, Texas, has begun with ethanol waiver, Hutchison on board. The ethanol debacle should be hammered as it is an obvious example of what happens when systems thinking is not practiced and a point solution looking for a problem is enacted (politicians picking winners rather than free market). Need some governors with backbones and a brain to band together.

Thanks.

Green is the new redigion.

I love the term ‘watermelons,’ my liberal friends hate it!

Obama is a Chrislamic candidate. Christian on the outside....

Obama with turban in front of White House. He’ll give us change all right.
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The enviros really tipped their hand when they came up with the idea of buying and selling carbon credits under Kyoto. That facet exposed Kyoto for what it is..a global wealth redistribution scheme.