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To: abb

And OBTW, nor is it an “Armored Combat Vehicle.”

ACV’s, like the russian BMP or the US Bradley, are designed to fight.

APC’s, on the other hand, are designed to carry troops somewhat near the fight, then hide.


215 posted on 05/31/2008 9:42:37 AM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: patton

That’s a matter of opinion. Here’s what the folks who originally owned and operated them say:

http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/tracked/m113.html
Mission

Provide a highly mobile, survivable, and reliable tracked-vehicle platform that is able to keep pace with Abrams- and Bradley-equipped units and that is adaptable to a wide range of current and future battlefield tasks through the integration of specialized mission modules at minimum operational and support cost.


217 posted on 05/31/2008 9:52:10 AM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: patton

The larger question is, of course, do civilian law enforcement agencies require such equipment to do their jobs. Especially some pissant sheriff’s office in a county with 3,000 population. And should it be employed against people who have no history of violent activity?

I have serious issues with the militarization of civilian police.


219 posted on 05/31/2008 10:01:32 AM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: patton
With all due respect:
True, it's an APC.

Also true: it'll break the crap out of any gate you're likely to put in its way.
It'll carry armed troops up to and through your front door.
It'll serve to underline the "who is in charge here?" issue based on big and ugly.
Of course, the belted 7.65 isn't quite as impressive as Ma Deuce - but who cares about that at short range?

247 posted on 05/31/2008 11:24:36 AM PDT by norton
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To: patton; abb
And OBTW, nor is it an “Armored Combat Vehicle.”

According to the folks at Golbal Security it is

An Armored Combat Vehicle [ACV] is a self-propelled vehicle with armored protection and cross-country capability. Armoured combat vehicles include armoured personnel carriers, armoured infantry fighting vehicles and heavy armament combat vehicles. The term "armored personnel carrier" [APC] means an armoured combat vehicle which is designed and equipped to transport a combat infantry squad and which, as a rule, is armed with an integral or organic weapon of less than 20 millimeters calibre.
ACV’s, like the russian BMP or the US Bradley, are designed to fight.

No those are armored infantry fighting vehicles

The term "armored infantry fighting vehicle" [AIFV] means an armored combat vehicle which is designed and equipped primarily to transport a combat infantry squad, which normally provides the capability for the troops to deliver fire from inside the vehicle under armoured protection, and which is armed with an integral or organic cannon of at least 20 millimeters caliber and sometimes an antitank missile launcher. Armored infantry fighting vehicles serve as the principal weapon system of armored infantry or mechanised infantry or motorised infantry formations and units of ground forces.

272 posted on 05/31/2008 12:55:50 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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