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To: Utah Girl

Good to see the kids being returned home.

There needs to be a full accounting of this from the top down in CPS and whoever was responsible for this debacle needs to spend jail time (if CPS broke the law).

Now hopefully the investigators will get on with the job of investigating and stop this namby pamby feel good crap about getting the chilluns away from their evil parents.

I also hope this slap down of CPS reverberates across the country and puts the rest of the jerks in the different state CPS offices on notice.

No more.


4 posted on 05/30/2008 2:06:25 PM PDT by tueffelhunden
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To: tueffelhunden
>>(if CPS broke the law).”

Of coarse they broke the law. Government step way out of bounds here.

I don't agree with the polygamist thing and certainly not any form of child abuse, but from what I've read so far, no one has proven to me that there was abuse taking place.

Besides, I'm appalled by the use of such heavy handed tactics by the law here.

What the hell do ya need sniper positions, armored vehicles, automatic rifles for???

This looked like a bunch of well armed ya-hoos wantin an excuse to get all dressed up paramilitary style and show off their stuff.......buncha bravado is all it was.

10 posted on 05/30/2008 2:20:03 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: tueffelhunden
I doubt it. Unfortunately. I know there are children who have been saved by protective services and foster care. However, what seems to occur is that the workers tend to forget to investigate on a case by case basis. Just because they found a rat under one bed doesn't mean there is a rat under each bed.

A situation occurred in Utah about 4 years ago. A 12 year old boy was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer: Ewing's Sarcoma. DCFS and the boy's guardian ad litem really overstepped their bounds in the case. Parker Jensen and his parents are taking the state of Utah to court in 2009. Here is his story (just an excerpt, click on the link to read the whole story).

t was about five years ago that Parker Jensen's name became synonymous with the issue of parental rights as his family took on the state's pursuit to force the boy to undergo chemotherapy for a rare form of cancer.

Now for the first time, the Jensens have laid out their full account of what happened in court filings this week. The Jensens continue to pursue a federal suit against two Utah physicians, two state child welfare officials and an assistant Utah attorney general.

In a 140-page statement of facts, the Jensens call themselves a "typical Utah family" from Sandy who was swept up in a whirlwind of medical egos and state bureaucracy.

They blame former Primary Children's Medical Center physician Lars Wagner for telling them that their son had almost no chance of surviving the cancer unless he had chemotherapy, not knowing that Wagner had also wanted to get Parker into a clinical study on Ewing's sarcoma.

Meanwhile, the Jensens maintain they were not convinced the lump in the bottom of their son's mouth was Ewing's sarcoma, and they wanted a second opinion.

Time and time again the Jensens say they sought more definitive tests and opinions, even going to doctors out of state — only to find that physicians with Primary had contact and influence with the other doctors.

After several meetings, Wagner threatened the Jensens that he would contact the Division of Child and Family Services to take their son away and force him to undergo chemotherapy.

The Jensens' court brief states that DCFS caseworkers simply took Wagner's word that chemotherapy was the only option for the boy and did no further investigation. Their investigation, which did not include the Jensens' side of things, was then reviewed by a state juvenile judge, which lead to an order and warrant for the parents' arrest.

Also alleged in their brief, the Jensens say DCFS was dishonest in some of its representations to the court, including the allegation that they fled the state to avoid the court's order. The Jensens claim they were already vacationing in Idaho when the warrant was issued.
Parker just 'normal' kid, dad says

And I will make a disclaimer here. Primary Children's Hospital is one of the best children's hospitals in the nation. I have a nephew with an incurable chronic condition, and Primary Children's has been wonderful to him and his family. The doctors have been fantastic. My nephew is in a study by himself and has his status reviewed by doctors across the country. But my brother and his wife have been able to get second opinions and everyone has been able to put my nephew's condition as their top priority.
12 posted on 05/30/2008 2:24:21 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: tueffelhunden
At last, a break through in your thinking. Now you recognize that CPS is NOT a federal government agency.

Eventually you'll figure out people will probably be more pi$$ed about the Texas Appeals and Supreme Court justices going soft on pedophilia than anything CPS did.

41 posted on 05/30/2008 4:04:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tueffelhunden
Good to see the kids being returned home.

To sexual abuse, brainwashing, cultism... yes, just wonderful.

132 posted on 05/30/2008 7:42:20 PM PDT by humblegunner
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