Posted on 05/30/2008 2:00:59 PM PDT by Utah Girl
SAN ANGELO, Texas — Lawyers for Child Protective Services have made a proposed agreement to return hundreds of children taken from the Fundamental LDS Church's YFZ Ranch.
The agreement is being discussed by lawyers for mothers, children and child welfare authorities in a hearing underway that is in response to a Texas Supreme Court ruling that the children should be returned to their parents.
A copy of the order, obtained by the Deseret News, seeks to have children returned to their parents beginning Monday. The proposed agreement also requires parents to complete parenting classes and cooperate with an ongoing investigation into allegations of abuse and negect on the YFZ Ranch.
"CPS has access to the residence of the subject child for unannounced home visits during the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m.," the agreement says.
Parents must provide the address of the residence and the names of everyone living in the home.
The proposed agreement also seeks to prevent the families from leaving the state of Texas. It applies to approximately 139 children belonging to 41 mothers, but Judge Barbara Walther said in court she expects it will be expanded.
"The court thinks this ruling would be the same for each and every child," she said.
If there are children being abused, ie forcing young girls to have sex with older men as evidenced by teens who are pregnant or have kids already, or physical abuse as evidenced possibly by boken bones in very young children that was observed by doctors, then something needs to be done to protect the children. See my post above about evidence that Jeffs himself married girls ages 12, 14, and 15 at the Texas ranch.
I think the “zombie” thing is due to brainwashing. This cult is sick.
First, that would be FLDS. Please use their proper abbreviation.
Second, I wasn’t sure if each mother has a lawyer, or if each child does. All I was trying to say was that CPS has now alerted all the members in the FLDS compound to make sure CPS and others follow the law. (Like when CPS came to search for more children after the initial raid, no one would let them in because CPS didn’t have a search warrant.) And CPS went away. Tried it again too, and again were told they had to show a search warrant, and CPS went away.
Well, it isn’t Monday yet either. I agree with CurlyDave earlier in this thread, CPS should have started immediately to get those children back. Work the weekend. (I can hear the gasps of civil servants at my intimating that they should work the weekend. :)
Actually the warrant alleges that he "married" the 14 y/o in Utah, where they conceived her first child at 15 and which was born when she was 16. It's alleged that she later moved to the YFZ ranch. The other girls are said to have been 14, 12 and 12 by the warrant.
These guys are unbelievably sloppy. I gig document writers for much less in the way of inconsistencies. They at least need to get their stories/facts straight amongst themselves.
>Stop the child abuse AND stop the legal abuse.
AND stop the welfare checks and foodstamps for this group as well. Talk about enabling!
Since they should not have removed the children in the first place, how can they predicate return of the children on completing indoctrination classes...er I mean Parenting classes?
Not to defend Jeffs, he is scum, but the DNA swabbing is for another case lodged against Jeffs. He is accused of promoting incest, performing underage marriages. One of his nephews is now accusing Jeffs of child abuse. I’m most certainly not condoning what went on at the YFZ ranch, but the law is the law and the allegations must be proven in a court of law. Utah got Jeffs, and Arizona is now proceeding with charges against him.
IMO, the state of Texas now has the DNA swabs from the children at the YFZ ranch, and from the mothers (not sure if all of the mothers complied.) All the criminal investigators in Texas need to do now is start matching DNA, get birth certificates and put 2 and 2 together.
Um, the children haven’t been reunited with their parents yet. The judge was ordered to do so on Monday.
I doubt very much that “parenting classes” will be effective with these women. They seem to be incapable of understanding anything except what they’ve been programmed to think - completely under the control of the sicko men leading their group.
Stop right there. Lots of young girls get pregnant. some by older men, most by younger men. You have no evidence at all of who impregnated these girls, if there really were any that young.
And Il bet you will never have it. DNA collected was collected as a result of an illegal search following the issuance of an illegal warrant. It is "fruit of the poisoned vine", and will never be admitted in court.
...or physical abuse as evidenced possibly by boken bones in very young children that was observed by doctors...
Broken bones in kids, even little ones, is not evidence of abuse. I broke bones several times when I was a kid. Mostly from some kind of physical activity. It might not happen as much today, because kids don't break bones playing video games, but these folks didn't have them so the kids played outside. I bet you it is healthier to break a few bones than to sit on one's posterior playing video ames all day.
If you ever change jobs, you are going to need it again. Doesn't matter if you have other official ID with the number on it, such as a military ID. You'll need the real deal. 9 years ago I had to go to the social security office and get a temporary card, before I could start on a new job. I'd gotten my previous job almost 22 years earlier, not counting another stint with the Air Force Reserve, which included issuing a new ID card, two actually, since I got promoted( to Captain ) But no, that wasn't "proof" enough that I had such a card, or had the right to work in the United States. (A green card would have been OK if appropriate, which it wasn't and never has been for me).
So unless you are self employed, or near, or past, retirement, it might not hurt to get a replacement card at your convenience. Of course I say that not really knowing where my replacement card is at the moment. :)
It's called shock, trauma and fear.
Actually, this FLDS group in Texas hasn’t been applying for food stamps, etc from the government. However, in Hilldale and Colorado City (both towns are on the border of Utah and Arizona,) the FLDS groups there do that. They call it bleeding the beast.
Actually, this FLDS group in Texas hasn’t been applying for food stamps, etc from the government. However, in Hilldale and Colorado City, the FLDS groups there do that. They call it bleeding the beast.
Never mind that Texas officials have said there is no evidence that any of the people at the YFZ ranch are getting any such government assistance. (even federal assistance goes through state bureaucracies).
Just spewing the same old bovine excrement, after it's been shown time and again not to be true for this group in Texas.
I am already collecting my "free money for old geezers".
When the lady at the SS office asked me when I retired, I told her I hadn't retired, but that I had declared myself independently wealthy about a year previously.
She refused to write that on her form, even though it was the truth. Another "civil servant" who acted more like a master than a servant.
That does not sound unreasonable and the families may return to the ranch.
No, it is very unreasonable.
Let's say CPS takes your kids. After two months they find nothing to implicate you. On the contrary, they find you're a wonderful parent.
But, to get your kids back, you have to be punished by taking parenting classes and having your movements restricted.
Being punished, without committing a crime is... well, it's a crime!
RIGHT!
Apparently in Texas the Beast felt left out, so it's done a much better job of bleeding itself than the FLDS Texas contingent ever could have. And the bleeding continues.
In this case though it's the beast bleeding the Texas Taypayers, of which I am one.
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