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“White Paper” rips Tanker Award
Leeham News and Comment ^ | May 29, 2008 | leehamnet

Posted on 05/30/2008 9:48:40 AM PDT by MHalblaub

A labor union of technical engineers issued an 11-page “white paper” today ripping the USAF tanker contract award to Northrop Grumman and the KC-30 over the Boeing KC-767. The two page press release summarizes the white paper findings.

The press release focuses entirely on EADS, parent of Airbus and maker of the A330-200 on which Northrop’s offering of the KC-30 is based. Northrop’s identified as a “minority” partner.

(During a conference several months ago, Northrop acknowledged that about 50% of the contract revenues flow to EADs/Airbus. Engines, in this case provided by GE (an American company), typically represent about 20% of the cost of a commercial airliner. This clearly makes Northrop a “minority partner.” But it’s important that although 50% of the revenues may flow to EADS/Airbus, payments to suppliers to EADS/Airbus also flow back to suppliers, with more than 200 based in the US. Northrop says that about 60% of the KC-30 by value is US-sourced.)

The White Paper is replete with errors and misrepresentations and cites “facts” without sourcing them.

* It claims the KC-30 isn’t as structurally as sound as the KC-767 without backing this claim up.

* It states (accurately) that currently only 1% of all cargo carried by the Air Mobility Command is carried by tankers but ignores statements and conclusions by the Air Force that a new way of carrying troops and cargo is required for the future, requiring a multi-role tanker-transport.

* It claims EADS and Northrop “have conceded” the KC-30 is “much more costly” to operate than the KC-767; they’ve done nothing of the kind. They have conceded the KC-30 burns 6% more fuel than the KC-767, a far cry from the 24% cited by a Boeing-paid consultancy.

* It claims Boeing has delivered 2,000 tankers in 75 years–but ignores the fact that the last Boeing-manufactured tanker, the KC-135, was delivered 42 years ago, and that the last tanker delivered by McDonnell Douglas, now a part of Boeing, was delivered 20 years ago.

* It correctly notes that the KC-30 is in testing but ignores the fact that the KC-767AT proposed by Boeing for the Air Force is only a “paper” airplane; and the the KC-767 tanker delivered to Japan in February and March was years late and still hasn’t entered service; or that none of the KC-767 tankers ordered by Italy have been delivered and are years late.

* It correctly notes that Boeing has designed an delivered five generations of aerial refueling booms but the sixth generation proposed to the Air Force is only a paper design. It correctly notes that the EADS boom is in testing.

* It fairly questions past performance issues with Northrop and EADS but ignores the past performance issues of Boeing, particularly with the Italian and Japanese tanker programs.

* It charges that 44,000 US jobs will be “exported.” This is the flimsiest claim of all. Boeing has never validated how it asserted the KC-767 will support 44,000 US jobs. Northrop initially claimed 25,000 US jobs will be supported, for a net difference of 19,000 jobs that would be subject to “export.” But Northrop later revised its figure that the KC-30 will support 48,000 jobs and “showed its math.” We’re still skeptical of this figure (how can a plane with less US content than claimed by Boeing for its KC-767 (at 85%) support more jobs?), but Northrop at least has been public about how it claims its number while Boeing refuses to do so.

* It visits the claim of “illegal” subsidies to Airbus. Until the World Trade Organization rules in this case, perhaps as soon as next month, these are still allegations–as are the claims by the European Union that Boeing also received “illegal” subsidies. This issue is a red herring all around.

The problems with the White Paper go on and on.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; eads; gao; kc45; kc767; northropgrumman; tanker
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To: TalonDJ

Well, obviously nobody knows the details except people on the inside. But if you have a major disruption in your supply chain just as you are going to war, it could be a serious matter. One month delay, six months, a year? Who knows? Days can be critical in such a situation.


21 posted on 05/30/2008 12:54:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Boeing has supplied tankers to Iran


22 posted on 05/30/2008 4:52:55 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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To: Oztrich Boy

If they did, it was with the government’s blessing. As far as I know, we haven’t supplied them with any since the fall of the Shah, an ally to whom we sold quite a lot of various aircraft and missile defense systems, some of which were inherited by the Mullahs, but most of which gradually became unusable.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce.htm


23 posted on 05/30/2008 6:27:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
As far as I know, we haven’t supplied them with any since the fall of the Shah,

Right, and they are still operating them three decades later. So your worry

What happens down the line when they refuse to provide us with planes because they don't approve of some other mission?

Our government used to understand that you are at risk if you rely on other countries for critical war materials.

doesn't ammout to a hill of beans in the grand scheme

They are tankers. Basically airliners with US manufactured and fitted mission specific equipment, and US manufactued engines.

That the airframe bits came from originally from Europe won't matter. The aircraft can be kept current from US sources.

24 posted on 05/30/2008 6:44:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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To: mc6809e

Why not have the banks for it?

Their profit margin is 20% comrade.


25 posted on 06/02/2008 7:45:48 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MHalblaub
Lockheed praises Tanker Decision

In what can only fall into the “wow” category, Lockheed Martin–the USA’s #1 defense contractor–praised the US Air Force for looking beyond the US shores in awarding the KC-X tanker contract to a consortium consisting of Northrop Grumman and France’s EADS, the parent of Airbus.

In a speech, yes, before a European audience, Lockheed’s chairman had this to say:

“The decision by the USAF to purchase Airbus tankers reinforces the openness of U.S. markets and is the most recent example of the growing willingness of the United States to look to global sources of supply for vital equipment. While our company is not involved in the Tanker program, Lockheed Martin is involved in a number of significant transatlantic programs.”

The full text of the speech may be found here. A press release may be found here.

The highly unusual nature of one US defense contractor praising a decision like this can’t be considered anything but a blow to Boeing’s long-running campaign about the USAF awarding this contract to a “French” company (notwithstanding that the contract is actually to Northrop Grumman).

26 posted on 06/04/2008 3:24:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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