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Crane Collapse In Manhattan
foxny ^ | 05/30/08 | foxny

Posted on 05/30/2008 5:44:39 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: penelopesire

After having some experience with imported steel, I have come to the conclusion that the word “steel” simply doesn’t translate properly into Chinese. They have something they call “steel”, but it isn’t.


41 posted on 05/30/2008 6:39:49 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Roccus

Good graphic on tower cranes and the process used to raise them.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/0624/20070624_094107_bn24crane_grfx.jpg


42 posted on 05/30/2008 6:40:40 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude

Lived in NYC for 57 years. Seen it first hand many, many times.


43 posted on 05/30/2008 6:45:06 AM PDT by Roccus (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Second time this has happened recently. Someone didn’t learn a lesson and that will translate to huge liability although sovereign immunity will pro’ly be claimed.


44 posted on 05/30/2008 6:45:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: tacticalogic
After having some experience with imported steel, I have come to the conclusion that the word “steel” simply doesn’t translate properly into Chinese. They have something they call “steel”, but it isn’t.

So have I. I used to work at a factory making food processing equipment, and they started buying a lot of Chinese steel. Very inconsistent stuff. I've seen 4" round stock eat several band saw blades just making a cut to square up the end, and the next cut whiz through like butter.

Beyond that, there's not enough money in the world to get me up on one of those cranes. :o)

45 posted on 05/30/2008 6:46:10 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: tacticalogic; Joiseydude

It may or may not be Chinese ‘steel’...but the company that makes it very suspect (imho) until proven otherwise.

See here:

http://www.muhibbah.com/global-presence.php

As usual, all blame is being placed on the American inspectors at this point.

‘America’s fault’ or ‘Bush’s fault’ seems to always be the line of the American media.


46 posted on 05/30/2008 6:46:51 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: TornadoAlley3

It happened 2 blocks from my building, I just walked over there, unbelievable, I’ve never seen that many police and firemen in my life, horrible tragedy.


47 posted on 05/30/2008 6:47:30 AM PDT by moose2004
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To: Dumpster Baby
No violations found in previous inspections of crane, this crane last inspected May 20 per Fox
48 posted on 05/30/2008 6:47:38 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: moose2004

Wheeew...Stay safe


49 posted on 05/30/2008 6:48:13 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

50 posted on 05/30/2008 6:50:24 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: Roccus

Eeegads. Unreal, eh?

I lived in NYC for several years- (when HowmIdoininEdKoch was mayor) ..still miss it. What part of town are you?


51 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:01 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Direct MS Player link, if you don’t want to listen to the newsies’ speculations and commentary:

http://mfile.akamai.com/12913/live/reflector:22444.asx

Copy and paste above in MS Player Open URL


52 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:25 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: tiredoflaundry
Waiting for Chucky Shmucky Schumer to find a camera:)
53 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:43 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The police are making people (including the massive numbers of the media) move back 2 blocks from the scene because they’re afraid the rest of the crane might fall. Scary stuff.


54 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:48 AM PDT by moose2004
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To: moose2004

Glad you are OK!!


55 posted on 05/30/2008 6:52:03 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: TornadoAlley3
This is nuts, isn't this like the 3rd Crane collapse in 6 months? Professionally speaking, something is 'seriesly' wrong in the New York City building trades (Operating Engineer Union?).

I've been in Commercial Construction for .. uh .. (2008-1970) .. oh yeah, 38 years, in the Chicago land area and can't recall ONE crane collapsing. We did have one incident where a Tower Crane link broke when it was being raised for the next pour and caused damage to the building internally when it fell but that's it.

We were very very VERY lucky. It went straight down through 15 concrete floors (8" thick) like a hot knife through butter (from 37 to 22) yet not one worker was hurt (scared *shirtless* but not hurt).

Plus all these Cranes are *supposed* to be regularly inspected. Is somebody getting paid off maybe???? I think Bloomie should spend his energy on this 'epidemic' and not gun shops in Georgia.

56 posted on 05/30/2008 6:52:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Dumpster Baby
So have I. I used to work at a factory making food processing equipment, and they started buying a lot of Chinese steel. Very inconsistent stuff. I've seen 4" round stock eat several band saw blades just making a cut to square up the end, and the next cut whiz through like butter.

Yeah, the blade probably hit an old file that didn't melt. I got some Chinese Type 303 in once. The bars were full of stringers and were bulged like pillows. I had to pre machine it (Not just true it up) all before I could use it then the stock was undersized.

The vendor made good on it, though.

Never Again.

57 posted on 05/30/2008 6:52:53 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: SE Mom

Born and raised in Elmhurst, the rest was Woodside.


58 posted on 05/30/2008 6:53:36 AM PDT by Roccus (The "P" in Democrat stands for Patriotism!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“Waiting for Chucky Shmucky Schumer to find a camera:)”

Hillary probably getting ready to hog the camera now. Shmuck will just have to wait his turn.


59 posted on 05/30/2008 6:53:57 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/New_Threat_from_China_Steel_070907.html


60 posted on 05/30/2008 6:54:18 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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