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To: pawdoggie
the need for a Marriage Amendment to the US Constitution can be demonstrated once and for all.

I was just thinking the other day that we finally needed an amendment to the Constitution limiting our rights. How beautiful. Boy, aren't the conservatives leading the way toward more liberty! Just absolutely beautiful! No wonder we are leading the election right now!

13 posted on 05/28/2008 9:01:24 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: wireplay

Marriage is not a Civil Right. It is what it has always been, a Social Institution. It is therefore the province of the Society, not of a judicial oligarchy. When one branch of government seizes from the people their right to determine the very institutions that define their character, that branch has abrogated the consensual agreement with the people from which its power is derived.

Values and social norms DO change over time. They change slowly, as new paradigms either earn, or fail to earn, credibility and acceptance in the population at large. What is happening now is that a judiciary that is accountable to no one but the special interests that have bought and own it has seen fit to dictate to the rest of us new law which would never be passed by a legislature accountable to the people. The fact of a judiciary promulgating law is profoundly repugnant to the Separation of Powers on which the most successful and enduring model of self-government is based. That this judiciary promulgates law by virtue, not of changing the words of the law, but by changing what those words mean does not make such a usurpation of authority more acceptable for its facile and smug artifice.

And before you start with me, I’m not homophobic. I’m homo-fed-up. I used to have a lot more tolerance for the gay world than the average bear; the militant narcissism of the last decade has washed every shred of goodwill down the drain with me. You can’t demand my approval at the point of a gavel, and for trying, you have forfeited the ability to earn it in the future.

My final shot: I am sick of the ridiculous PR-firm-generated artifice that all we are supposed to be about is pushing for more liberties of any kind and every kind, whatever and whenever. Societies are defined by the structures and boundaries that they establish for themselves. The founders of the ACLU were correct nearly a century ago when they observed that the most effective path to Communism in the U.S. required severing the people from their cultural roots, and from any sense of connection with the past through their social institutions.

The gay world has made a lifetime enemy of me.


26 posted on 05/28/2008 10:03:18 PM PDT by Humble Servant ( Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: wireplay

An amendment limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples no more limits your rights than the constitutional requirements that you be 35 to be President.

Of course, there are many many cases where the government rightly distinguishes between actions that promote the public welfare, and those that do not. Normally, we don’t need constitutional amendments to define these, because the Constitition already allows the congress to make laws.

It’s just the political nature of the courts that have caused us to have to look to change the constitution.

Laws should be applied fairly, and equally to all. For example, either every individual should have a right to perform anal sex, or none should. Same with oral sex, or sex with animals. Equal rights under the law.

So if any state passed a law that forbid a “gay” man to marry, I would be right next to the gays fighting for their right to do the same thing I did — marry a woman.

Because history has shown that gay people can marry women and have children and raise families, just like hetorsexual people can.

BTW, at some point, after a few states have legalized “gay marriage”, they will no doubt start discriminating against some guys who want to get married, but whom the state will decide aren’t really “gay”, but are just trying to get special state benefits.

THAT’S where the discrimination will be, when we force people to prove they are gay to qualify for same-sex marriage.


37 posted on 05/29/2008 5:10:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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