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Cowboy Confessional ^ | 5/25/2008 | Guy Smith

Posted on 05/25/2008 6:17:46 PM PDT by guyshomenet

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To: levotb
Anytime! Here is a link. she really does explain how a libertarian thinks. Right or wrong, good or bad it does no harm to understand another point of view and it is clearly an insiders guide that bars no punches.


41 posted on 05/25/2008 8:34:36 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: levotb
Sorry about that bad link.

http://www.theadvocates.org/ruwart/categories_list.php

Regarding the insider info for example:

Extra Tip: Dr. Ruwart suggests that answers are often best preceded by a "Ransberger Pivot" statement, to establish common ground with the questioner. (Example: "Like you, I too want to live in a world where the environment is clean... Like you, I too want to see greater abundance for all people...")

42 posted on 05/25/2008 8:39:41 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: guyshomenet

There’s a trucking outfit called Barr-Nunn...I always think of Bob and Sam when I see one of their trucks...


43 posted on 05/25/2008 8:40:34 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Keyes2000mt
"A vote for Baldwin is a vote for Nader."

That's funny.
44 posted on 05/25/2008 8:49:05 PM PDT by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: levotb

Well then.You need to get the transscript from the Glenn Beck show.He actually said Round up the illegals and deport them.Got my vote right there.What? maybe lipservice? No different from what we have been getting but he has gone alot further than anyone in saying what he said.


45 posted on 05/25/2008 8:50:58 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Elvina
Everyone seems to think he will steal votes from McCain
46 posted on 05/25/2008 9:05:35 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Keyes2000mt
The problem is McCain is not pushing a constitutional amendment either. If that’s going to be a litmus test, you’ve got no candidate.

Dr. Keyes is 100 percent pro-life and will take the appropriate action to end abortion.

47 posted on 05/25/2008 9:09:02 PM PDT by TBP
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To: eleni121
a very angry female who lost to Barr named Mary Ruwart/i>
48 posted on 05/25/2008 9:10:43 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Elvina
Everyone seems to think he will steal votes from McCain

I don't think Barr (or Keyes, or Baldwin, Nader, or McKinney) will steal votes from anyone. That assume that those votes are owned by either McCain or the Democrats. It also assumes that those votes would just be there no mtter how bad the choices. Neitehr assumption is correct.

49 posted on 05/25/2008 9:14:10 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP
a very angry female who lost to Barr named Mary Ruwart

A director of the Internaional Siey for Individual Liberty.

50 posted on 05/25/2008 9:16:12 PM PDT by TBP
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To: guyshomenet

FTR, who did they pick to be his running mate?


51 posted on 05/25/2008 9:17:25 PM PDT by TBP
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To: guyshomenet

FTR, who did they pick to be his running mate?


52 posted on 05/25/2008 9:18:59 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP
a very angry female who lost to Barr named Mary Ruwart

A director of the Internaional Society for Individual Liberty.

53 posted on 05/25/2008 9:19:19 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP
Everyone seems to think he will steal votes from McCain.

I do not agree.

After 9/11 all of the nationalistic Libertarians were driven back to the GOP by the peacenik Islamist appeasers that took control of the LNC. Don't misunderstand, the LP always had a platform that called for bringing all American Military resources back to the USA, but the Antiwar crowd totally ruled the 2002 LP convention.

Any one voting LP after seven years of this stance will draw votes from the Democrat leftists.

54 posted on 05/25/2008 9:24:58 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Elvina
Regarding another post: "leaving it to the states" isn't necessarily pro-life, but it may be the best chance at overturning the judicial atrocity that is Roe v. Wade.

And also restores the situation as it existed prior to Roe v. Wade.

55 posted on 05/25/2008 9:31:30 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: higgmeister

What is Barr’s Nolan quiz score?


56 posted on 05/25/2008 9:31:43 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: M203M4

I found this piece that he wrote. However...what’s the difference. Mccain feels the same way. Sorry, Not much good on HTML.

http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=p&d=us&s=a&c=a&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a300527&ip=4ac2b6a2&id=B047D9331E36205E09CAED10345A9428&q=bob+barr+on+waterboarding&p=1&qs=167&ac=16&g=3c33E1mBIpbvN4&en=te&io=0&ep=&eo=&b=alg&bc=&br=&tp=d&ec=10&pt=No%20Torture.%20No%20Exceptions%20-%20Bob%20Barr&ex=tsrc%3Dtxtx&url=&u=http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2008/0801.barr.html


57 posted on 05/25/2008 9:33:28 PM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: Ozarkie

Huh...guess I don’t have to be good at HTML. LOL.


58 posted on 05/25/2008 9:34:37 PM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: levotb
If you are going to vote for a party rather than ("strategically") against another party, then vote for the party/candidate that/who best matches your politics. I don't think it makes sense to vote "strategically" between third parties (at least while they are all floating at below 2%).

One huge issue for me is federalism, (the modern definition of) which is something I stubbornly endorse even for social issues like gay marriage (putting me at odds with the CP). My rational is in part that we will always have garbage around, and we should push for policies which would promote voluntary segregation of homos, etc. on the basis of different state laws. Federalization also puts all the eggs in one basket, making laws for the entire nation susceptible to even a single change in the SC. I will not squabble over these points wrt abortion until Roe v Wade is overturned. FWIW, Barr is strongly in favor of state drug laws (on Hannity and Colmes, he was very clear that he would vote in favor of criminalization of narcotics at the state level without hesitation). So his "libertarianism" is mostly about the minimal role of the federal government, sort of a strict interpretation of the 10th Amendment coupled with strong social conservatism.

I personally like the RLC-wing of the GOP most, and historically would side with the CP against the LP between the two third parties (especially on immigration). For the last 16 years, the LP has sought to make left-libertarians more comfortable, and it has clearly hurt the party. Barr represents (to me at least) the RLC more than he does the Libertarian Party, which is why I am even entertaining his candidacy.

The Iraq issue is particularly interesting (wrt Chuck Baldwin). Barr refuses to endorse the notion of a timetable for American withdrawal from Iraq, saying that, "only a fool would do so." The worst recent thing that happened to him regarding Iraq was when he took some heat over a silly semantics game he played with Boortz, apparently refusing to concede that "occupation" connotes something negative, and that "liberation" should replace it in all contexts. He clearly doesn't think it was in our interests to engage in nation building in Iraq, but he is not interested in scoring political points by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and overriding the advice of the men currently waging the operation. Again, many Libertarians are up in arms (lol) that a "war monger" has gained their nomination.

Can't find much recent stuff for Bob Barr on illegal immigration. He recently came out for "selective deportation" which sounds like "almost amnesty". The only reassuring sign I have found is that traditional Libertarians who advocate unlimited, uncontrolled immigration (including illiterates, criminals, people with transmissible diseases, etc) say that he is terrible on immigration. Supposedly because he wants a huge border fence, enforced immigration laws, and does not want to allow anyone with a criminal record into America?

59 posted on 05/25/2008 10:03:39 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Ozarkie
Agents used it what, in three instances against non-uniformed foreign combatants (terrorists) where it was believed that they held information which was time-sensitive, with American lives potentially in the balance? I personally don't see the big deal.

What the North Vietnamese did to McCain was real torture, and it was done for monstrous reasons (to make him suffer and break him for propaganda purposes). I can understand McCain's aversion to anything even remotely connoting torture. Nobody else has an excuse.

60 posted on 05/25/2008 10:21:49 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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