Global Warming: Has Anyone Noticed that it’s Over?

MensNewsDaily.com ^ | May 24, 2008 | Roger F. Gay

[arthurus]

Global Warming as a credible issue is over. That is why the politicians are all finally leaping on board. It is their las chance to nail down control of the economy and power and wealth for themselves. Nominal conservatives, even, are falling all over themselves jumping on that bandwagon. About the time that Discover and Scientific American announce that the problem turns out not to be Global Warming but (newest left catastrophe) global warming will be locked into our economic and legal system forever.

[Steve Van Doorn]

It will be over when the politicians that run it say it is over.

[UCANSEE2]

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[JoJo Gunn]

Yeah, I had to start slow, with italics and bold, etc. Images and links were confusing.

Hang in there.

[steveab]

It's not about the science, it's about the money

Big Investors Seek Stricter Climate Laws
By Rachelle Younglai, Reuters

Investors managing more than $2.3 trillion urged the government on Tuesday to enact strict laws to cut greenhouse gas emissions, saying lax regulation could hurt the competitiveness of U.S. companies. The group of some 50 investors, including the world’s biggest listed hedge fund firm, Man Group Plc and influential venture capitalist John Doerr, want U.S. lawmakers to pass laws to reduce climate-warming emissions by at least 60 to 90 percent by 2050.

Legislation that promotes new and existing clean technologies on the scale needed to dramatically cut down pollution is needed, they said. The same group of investors are also pushing the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to force publicly-traded companies to disclose climate-related risks along with other factors that affect their business. “Establishing a strong national climate policy for emissions reductions will help investors manage the enormous risks and opportunities posed by global warming,” Anne Stausboll, Calpers’ interim chief investment officer, said in a statement.

If you think that bio-fuel cause price increases, wait until they pass a co2 cap and trade. Time for lawsuits against any type of CO2 regulation.

[RogerFGay]

Thing is, there's a lag in public opinion. That happens because the MSM is locked into the Big Lie. Only a few, with specialized audiences, will cast doubt. So, politicians running for office now - obviously not accustomed to life in truth mode - will give the position that they believe will capture the votes they want; not daring to start a discussion / debate that the MSM might not allow them to win.

They're not taking any chances. Truth runs a far distant place - ranked somewhere around infinity.

But yes, they're looking for ways to cash in on it too. Both parties have been involved in the dimantling of America and have been selling it off for personal profit for decades.

[RogerFGay]

Time for lawsuits against any type of CO2 regulation.

Having been through bouts with Big Lie Politics before, I'll make a prediction. They'll screw up the lawsuits and lose them. Politicians and activists will claim that winning the lawsuits as vindication for their views and the final hurdle to getting the laws enacted and enforced the way they want. Then the world will change suddenly and dramatically.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Thus our esteemed climate scientists have merely exchanged cause and effect

This has certainly been my opinion.... As an engineer, CO2 as an effect rather than a cause makes sense.

What I love is, the convoluted logic they use to explain the 800 year off-set: That CO2 is the trigger that starts an increase in water-vapor (a much stronger greenhouse gas)... then, the increase in water-vapor heats the world so much, it then causes massive releases of CO2.

Uh.... yea, right.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I fear that the political train is already coming down the tracks. I’ve been to several conferences recently where attorney groups gave summary presentations of pending climate change legislation.

There are dozens of bills pending... so, no one is sure which ones will make it through. But, ALL are bad. The leading bill is the McCain-Leiberman, which calls for a 70% reduction in GHG by 2020. What a joke. It calls for cap & trade and carbon taxes.

The sad part is.... this bill has broad, bi-partisan support and would be signed by ANY of the three potential Presidents. So, unless we can get the public to rise up in the next 9 months, it’s coming. Frank Luntz (the FoxNews pollster) told me plainly that current public opinion is strongly believing The Lie, because... “no one will stand up and say, this is bullshit”. (That’s a direct quote.. made to me in person).

Who’s going to do it?

Globally, the problem is even worse. I work for a German company. EVERYONE over there is completely convinced that CO2 is killing the world. They’re very angry with the US (and Bush, of course) for not doing more to ‘Save the Planet’. They bristle when you tell them that the US has actually cut CO2 emmissions since 2000... as much as Germany has.... this true bit of news doesn’t fit their “Bush sucks” narrative.

Bottom line is.. we’ve got a LONG WAY to go to change global public opinion.

[steveab]

“Politicians and activists will claim that winning the lawsuits as vindication for their views and the final hurdle to getting the laws enacted and enforced the way they want. Then the world will change suddenly and dramatically.”

‘the final hurdle to getting the laws enacted and enforced the way they want. Then the world will change suddenly and dramatically.’
We are already there. If you have a better idea’ I’m all ears.
It’s about the money not science. So you attack CO2 drives the climate theory in court.

[Steve Van Doorn]

"That CO2 is the trigger that starts an increase in water-vapor (a much stronger greenhouse gas)... then, the increase in water-vapor heats the world... "

yeah but NASA has shown that this was wrong very recently. Water vapor cools it doesn't heat.

[RogerFGay]

The only bills that get broad bipartisan support are the ones whose only purpose is to rip off the public.

[RogerFGay]

What you need are judges that are sympathetic enough to actually try the case in the context of the constitution. For the past quarter century, federal courts have torn down the walls to allow arbitrary government intrusion and control. The trick is classification of issues as social and economic policy. The rules then change - issues have no substance - civil and economic rights no longer exist; and cases are judged the same way they would be in socialist countries. If the government intended to fill out the paper work in the manner they prescribed, then anything goes.

The Constitution of course, does not actually provide any language that can be interpreted to provide this option. It's something that the courts invented and are now using with increasing frequency. It is, for example, why marriage no longer exists in the United States. Marriage and family are now, as a matter of legal definition, merely elements in a federal government program - and nothing more. The only constitutional requirement is equal treatment - which was then extended to same-sex couples.

[EGPWS]

Saddly enough your comment sounded so much like what we hear today that you needed one!

It IS sad thus I can only agree GB.

Regards,

EG

[EGPWS]

They’re very angry with the US (and Bush, of course) for not doing more to ‘Save the Planet’.

George W. Bush has done more to save the planet AND humanity than any other president since Ronald W. Reagan.

He has shown himself to be a leader with political common sense.

How quickly most forget in this "real time" and hectic world...

[P.O.E.]

I predict half the globe will receive no sunlight whatsoever. And it’s headed our way....

[Waco]

Long about sun down every day.Holy light bulb Batman! Barney! Get yer bullet out!!

[Justa]

I agree.

"The sun’s surface flows have slowed dramatically as NASA has indicated. This process of surface movement, what NASA calls the “conveyor belt” essentially sweeps up old sunspots and deposits new ones. NASA’s studies have found that when the surface movement slows down, sunspot counts drop significantly. All records of sunspot counts and other proxies of solar activity going back 6,000 years clearly validates our own findings that when we have sunspot counts lower then 50 it means only one thing - an intense cold climate, globally" [emphasis added].

Seems like you and I are the only 2 FReepers who actually realize this at this time. Kinda depressing considering this is a conservative site.

[EGPWS]

The end of GW is Bush’s fault it hasn’t warmed since Bush got in office.

Any man made creation can be promoted as a concern worthy of wealth redistribution can't it? (obviously it can)

Thus, yes blame can be placed by some.

Next step, a highly ranked and powerful panel of non-elected elitists to determine as to how we as a society cope with such a demise.

New books soon to be on the top ten list..

[EGPWS]

"The sun’s surface flows have slowed dramatically as NASA has indicated. This process of surface movement, what NASA calls the “conveyor belt” essentially sweeps up old sunspots and deposits new ones. NASA’s studies have found that when the surface movement slows down, sunspot counts drop significantly. All records of sunspot counts and other proxies of solar activity going back 6,000 years clearly validates our own findings that when we have sunspot counts lower then 50 it means only one thing - an intense cold climate, globally"

Some of us see the fallacy created via political and promotional directive after understanding the facts that should be so well understood by all capable in understanding. ; )