Finding New Ways To Express Jew-Hatred (Why Anti-Zionism Is A Euphemism For Anti-Semitism Alert)

Frontpagemag.com ^ | 5/23/2008 | Dr. Dvir Abramovich

[goldstategop]

With the Holocaust, anti-Semitism went out of fashion. But only in rhetoric. On the Far Left and among Islamists, there is still strong Jew-hatred. Its now called anti-Zionism. Its really a euphemism for the old hatred called anti-Semitism. Whereas the Jew was once hated for being rootless, parasitical and having no loyalty to other people's homelands, today the Jew is hated for having his own state, for being independent and for trying to bring all Jews back to Israel. No matter what the Jew does, he can't win - he's damned if he doesn't and he's damned if he does. The absurdity of anti-Zionism lies in this: no one who called for the destruction of America would be viewed as a friend of America. Jews and every one else know that those who call for the destruction of Israel are no friend of the Jewish people. All that people need to know about anti-Zionists is they want Jews to be homeless, and to suffer and die. Any differences between them and earlier generations of anti-Semites are only of historical interest. For Jews, the consequences are the same.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[dr_lew]

“You declare that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely anti-Zionist. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops…When people criticize Zionism they mean Jew; we are talking anti-Semitism….Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land… Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic and ever will it be so. And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism.”

Geez. I read this and I thought, "Martin Luther said THAT?"

[sofaman]

I had no idea. It’s brilliant in it’s simplicity. No-one has said it better.

[Enchante]

One gets so accustomed to the rabid anti-semitism of the Sharpton-Jackson-Farrakhan branches of black activism that is a stunning fresh breeze to experience such words from Martin Luther King. I had no idea he’d said anything like that. Good for him! Those words should be widely re-publicized..... I cannot believe I’ve never seen them before.

[Tainan]

I have seen this ploy repeatedly on other web forums I visit.

"I'm not anti-Jew or anti-Israel, I'm just anti-Zionism"

...what a load of crap. Its usuallty followed by shreiking outrage over the 'influence' that Jews/Israel exert over US policies around the world....read:pro-Israel...too much $$$'s to support Israel...etc. These toadies hate it when things like this are pointed out...blows their own smoke up their skirt.

[nyyankeefan]

1) 15 million Jews in the World of a few billion...and they run the world???

2) the US LOANS money to Israel....the Israelis PAY BACK loans with interest!!!

3) the US pisses billions to the f’muzzies...not one cent has ever been paid back...and the ROI has been nill at best!!!!

[nyyankeefan]

1) 15 million Jews in the World of a few billion...and they run the world???

2) the US LOANS money to Israel....the Israelis PAY BACK loans with interest!!!

3) the US pisses billions to the f’muzzies...not one cent has ever been paid back...and the ROI has been nill at best!!!!

[Hank Kerchief]

Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-semitism. While anti-semites will almost always be anti-Zionists or anti-Israel, most people are ignorant of a few facts about Zionism.

For example:

“The history of Zionism, as well as the widely different forms it has taken, (from Christian Zionism to Socialist Zionism), is extremely complex and well beyond the scope of these articles. However, it’s significance is important, because anti-Zionism is confused with anti-Semitism, and they are not the same thing. Those who have opposed the Zionists, both ideologically and politically, are often labeled anti-Semitic, which some anti-Zionists certainly are (such as the Muslims), but opposing Zionism is not itself anti-Semitic. It is an interesting historical fact, that some of the most radical anti-Zionists were Orthodox Jews, especially those who were inhabitants of Palestine in 1948 when a secular Zionist state was literally forced on them by the United Nations. One can hardly call those anti-Zionist Jews, anti-Semitic.”

There are many anti-Zionist Jews to this day in both Israel and throughout the world. They can hardly be call anti-Semitic. Many of them believe the Jewish state is a mistake on religious grounds.

Like all politicians, King’s knowledge of things was shallow and spoken only to appeal to the emotions. Details and facts weren’t important—and apparently still are not to most people.

The above quote is from a series on “Racism and Anti-Semitism” here:

http://theautonomist.com/aaphp/permanent/phil_gen/antisemitism5.php

Hank

[cyberella]

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[goldstategop]

Such Jews are a tiny minority even among Orthodox Jews. Before Israel was established, it was possible to oppose Zionism and still be a good Jew. After Israel was born, that no longer held. To advocate the disappearance of Israel in practice means advocating genocide. The Naturei Karta and non-Jewish anti-Zionists never get around to explaining how Israel could cease to exist without killing every Jew in it. That is why virtually Jews correctly view Anti-Zionism as a virulent strain of anti-Semitism. It differs from all the previous forms of Jew hatred in that it does not claim to hate all Jews, just those Jews who happen to live an independent life in Israel. But anti-Zionism is doubly offensive since it means non-Jews make the extraordinary claim they can tell Jews what it means to be Jewish. For Jews, a belief in nationhood is inseparable from a belief in God and the Torah. Incidentally, even the NK believe in a Jewish State; just one that should be established once the Messiah has arrived. In the eyes of Jewish law, Israel's existence is a valid act and the NK claim has no basis in Jewish law and even if Jews had assented to a prior pact not to rebel against the nations, that pact was voided when the Nazis tried to wipe out the Jewish people. Israel's existence is a necessary guarantee against another Holocaust in Jewish history, which is why Israel's enemies work so feverishly to bring it about.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[sofaman]

So you use Naturei Karta and self-hating Jews as your rationale.

The facts that you are hopelessly wrong, are compelling in the extreme. Repeating your belief, ad nauseum, that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, is not an argument.

Fact: Iran uses the term "Zionist" as a euphemism for "Jews".
Evidence? Holocaust denial ... anti-Zionism? No.

The UN equates, formally, Zionism with Apartheid South Africa. I grew up in Apartheid South Africa, leaving there when I was 27. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is a classic Liberal tactic. Make an outrageous statement that changes the argument. The argument is so spurious and factually dishonest, that there can be no other explanation than anti-Semitism.

Jimmy Carter then, "when I'm re-elected, I will f*ck the Jews".

Now: Israel practises apartheid. Anti-Zionism? Hardly.

Herr Obergruppenfeurer Pat Buchanan: refers to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory."
Says that: ".. despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

Buchanan also hasn't found a Nazi war criminal yet that he hasn't defended. See John Demjanjuk, Frank Walus & Karl Limas. Anti-Zionism? Hardly.

The facts are clear and compelling, despite your wrongheaded protestations. And I ask whether you, perhaps, are attempting to mitigate your own views of Israel and the Jews .... just as the likes of Herr Obergruppenfeurer Pat Buchanan, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Ramsay Clark, etc, do?

The facts are irrefutable and, apparently, uncomfortable.

[TheThirdRuffian]

The Martin Luther King of reality was a distinct man, both a better man and a more flawed man than the main stream media/ Shake-Down Jackson caracture of a man we see today.

He was a serious theologian -— not a race trader.

He engaged in mild corruption and maritial infidelity.

He made alliances of convenience with communists and socialist -— and Republicans.

Nothing is ever as simple as it seems.

[Hank Kerchief]

But don’t you see what’s happened?

Those who are anit-Israel say they are only anti-Zionism, and everybody knows that ruse is being used as a cover for anti-Semitism.

So now, when someone points out that the Zionists are essentially socialists, it’s suddenly labeled as anti-Semitism. It is a trick meant to silence those who wish to point out a simple truth. Pointing out that Zionists, of which the Labor party in Israel is still mostly comprised, are socialist (of the communist kind) is not anti-Israel or anti-Semitism; if it is anti-anything it is anti-socialist. The absolute best thing Israel could do for its own freedom and economy is stamp out Zionism—or if they want to retain the pro-Jewish state aspects, at least rid it of socialism.

Israel is their own country and they can run it any way they like, and defend it any way they like, but Zionism is not a good thing, and it’s not anti-Semitic to point that out.

As for this:

“Such Jews are a tiny minority even among Orthodox Jews.”

So, because they are a minority, they do not have a right to speak?

You are wrong, though.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

“self-hating Jews?”

See my previous post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2020594/posts?page=13#13

You know nothing about me. Do you always accuse people of things when you don’t understand them.

Before posting to me again, please read these articles. I am the author.

http://theautonomist.com/aaphp/permanent/phil_gen/antisemitism1.php

It’s a series. It’s long. You’ll learn something in spite of yourself.

Hank

[SoCalPol]

What ever group within a religion that may have a different view on an issue is not what is being spoken of.

Right now, today we have Ahmadinejad of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. who want to wipe Israel and all Jews off the map.

“Today” to get around sounding outright Anti-Semite, the Liberal Fascist say Anti-Zionist or Neocon.

You can split hairs, but wishing doesn’t make it so.

We are talking now, today and our time is running out.

[Hank Kerchief]

Please read the articles referenced in the previous post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2020594/posts?page=14#14

Otherwise do not bother posting to me again. You have no idea what you are talking about. Principles are not the same as your feelings. The truth is the truth no matter how you feel about it.

Hank

[BroJoeK]

"So now, when someone points out that the Zionists are essentially socialists, it’s suddenly labeled as anti-Semitism."

I think the first mark of a propagandist is a serious problem with the dictionary -- substituting the wrong words for one another without due regard for what words really mean.

So pal, next time, before you sit down to type up a bunch of garbage, OPEN UP YOUR FUNK'N DICTIONARY! There you will find a definition of "Zionism":

"Zi-on-ism (from 1896)
an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel."

Note immediately, the word "socialist" does not appear in the definition. So there's no reason for you do confuse "socialist" with "Zionist."

If you have a problem with socialism, that's one thing. Zionism is something different.

[Hank Kerchief]

From the Jewish Virtual Library:

Socialist Zionism

"Socialist Zionism (or Labor Zionism) strove to achieve Jewish national and social redemption by fusing Zionism with Socialism. Its founder was Nachman Syrkin, who promulgated this view shortly before the third Zionist Congress (1899)."

Learn some history and discover how things change their names but ideologically remain the same. I don't really care whether you do this or not, it may be to hard for you, in which case you can persiste in your ignorance comforted by your dictionary.

Labor Zionism and Socialist Zionism

On Socialist Zionism

There are many varieties of Zionism, but the one dominating Israels politics today is Social Zionism: [from Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

"The Socialist Zionist idea gave rise to many pioneering youth movements, such as Hashomer Hatz'air and Hehalutz. The leaders of Socialist Zionist parties were among the most prominent in the pre-independence Palestine community and the State of Israel; David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and Berl Katznelson are but three examples. Socialist Zionism is the progenitor of most of Israel's settlement movements and the Israel Labor Party, one of Israel's two main political parties."

Hank

[BroJoeK]

"Learn some history and discover how things change their names but ideologically remain the same."

So you have a problem with socialists -- whether Americans, Russians, Europeans or Israelis, right? That's fine, go after them. Criticize & condemn socialists all day long -- no one will call you "anti-Semitic" for that.

But don't confuse socialists with all Zionists, since the two are not necessarily the same.

And while you are criticizing all socialists, why not condemn history's most vile socialists of all -- the National Socialists. You remember them don't you?

They were decidedly NOT Zionists.

[Hank Kerchief]

Are you calling me anti-semitic? Did you bother to read my articles? Well I know the answer to that.

I don’t care whether you think I’m “going after” anyone or not, and couldn’t care less what you call me. I just find it interesting that ignorance can be so militant.

Pointing out that Zionism, in its largest manifestation, has problems with it, has nothing to do with what anyone thinks about or wants for the Jews. There are Christian Zionists too.

http://christianactionforisrael.org/czionism.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm

The fact is I’m not anti-Zionist. I think much of what what Zionists believe is a mistake. I believe the Christian Zionist movement is a mistake as well. Does that mean I’m anti-Christian? I have no interest in convincing Zionists to change anything they believe or to not pursue whatever they think is right. I’m not opposed to anyone believing and pursuing anything they choose.

The only thing I am opposed to is oppression; the only thing I’m anti is anti-collectivism and anti-statism. My underlying principle is individualism as in “individual liberty.” I am not even anti-Islam, though I am radically opposed to almost everything they do, because it is so oppressive. If someone could be a muslim and not indulge in its oppressive practicies, more power to him. I doubt it’s possible.

That’s the only reason I do not like to see any freely discussed issue described is some kind of “prejudice” simply because it is not the currently accepted view. The next thing you find is the government declaring all such discussion as “hate speech” and there goes your freedom of speech.

You have done what many people like you do. You have judged other’s motives based on your own weaknesses. Since you could not say what I have said without hatred or prejudice you assume I cannot. Assume what you like however. It’s no skin of my nose.

Hank