Orson Scott Card: Appeasement Candidates [Obama, Clinton]

rhinotimes.com ^ | May 22, 2008 | Orson Scott Card

[Tolik]

Nailed It!

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[marron]

I agree with the writer.

Poor Barack Obama. He saw a shoe, he tried it on, and it fit.

And then like a dummy brayed to the world that it fit. Everyone already knew it, its his campaign platform after all, but he made sure they knew it.

if the president-elect is Obama or Clinton, and if Iran seems to have, or is about to have, nuclear weapons which it can deliver against targets in the Middle East or Europe, President Bush will have no choice but to take military action, because it will be plain that, like McClellan, the Democratic candidate will have "secured his or her election on such ground that" he or she cannot possibly take the action that will be necessary to prevent either monstrous acts of nuclear terrorism or blackmail consisting of threats to do so.

The Dems will want to bring charges against him after they take power. But he may have to risk it all for the sake of his people.

[Nailbiter]

must read ping

[lexusppd]

damn...just DAMN!!

[Joe 6-pack]

I really have a lot of respect and admiration for Orson Scott Card, who like Dennis Miller, Ron Silver and a few others, were left leaning democrats who had the intellectual honesty to allow their worldviews to be changed on 9/11/01.

I can only imagine how a public figure, especially those known for their wit and intelligence, would have to confront admitting they had been wrong about something.

[Tolik]

IF - “...if Iran seems to have, or is about to have, nuclear weapons which it can deliver against targets...”

They will play dead for a short while, IF they are smart. Of course, one can never overestimate Ahmadinejad’s arrogance.

All that said, and slightly off topic, there are so many ways of confronting Iran and helping people there toward a regime change that we are not doing, its not even funny.

[Choose Ye This Day]

Israel makes concessions; the Palestinians make promises. The Palestinians break the promises; Israel refuses to make any more concessions; and then the Palestinians scream that it's Israel that is not keeping the treaty. The Palestinians murder Israeli schoolchildren, and when Israel strikes back against terrorists, the Palestinians scream about Israeli aggression.

That pretty well sums up the past 60 years.

[Choose Ye This Day]

This needs to be spoken loudly and often:

Campaigns that subvert an ongoing war effort – campaigns like the ones both the current Democrats are running – offer hope to and stiffen the resolve of a nearly defeated enemy, leading to the deaths of more American soldiers than would otherwise have occurred.

[SMARTY]

Mr. Obama will sell us down the river with no compunction, Evita will as well.

They do just that by inches every time they open their mouths to bash this administration.

The MSM amplifies the absurdity of this and the fools in the DNC voter base get themselves drunk on some BS sense of mission in supporting this traitorous behavior. I am sick of them.

[jazusamo]

Outstanding piece by Card.

It’s hard to imagine Obama opening his mouth on the way the war or foreign relations has been handled by President Bush, it’s obvious he doesn’t know squat. Though he has an Ivy League education he’s reminiscent of a young boy who engages his mouth before his brain. Lord help us if he’s elected president.

[John Semmens]

Bush Criticism of Appeasement Angers Dems

May 17, 2008

President Bush’s speech to the Israeli parliament sparked a series of denunciations from high ranking Democrats across the country. The President’s characterization of negotiation with terrorist regimes—like the one in Iran that has called for the destruction of Israel—as “a foolish delusion” and akin to Neville Chamberlain’s negotiations with Hitler appears to have touched a nerve in Democratic circles.

Although Bush did not specifically name anyone in his speech, Democratic presidential front runner, Senator Barack Obama (Ill.) called Bush’s comments an “appalling attack on my ‘peace through concessions’ strategy for making America safe. Look, we can’t afford to get involved in a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing.” Obama pointed to the ten-year grace period for Jews to leave Palestine that former president Jimmy Carter negotiated with Hamas as an example of the type of agreement he would seek with “so-called terrorist regimes.”

Obama’s rival for the Democratic nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) asserted that “while I do not agree with Senator Obama’s appeasement approach, I think it is improper for a ‘lame-duck’ president to commit the nation to policies that could bind a subsequent administration.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) fumed that “Bush is undermining my hard work. I went to these people on ‘bended knee.’ I wore the Hijab to symbolize willingness to submit. We were gaining traction toward peace for our time. This partisan attack on Democratic policies is beneath the dignity of the office of the president.”

McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds called Obama’s reaction “hysterical.” “The guy has really ‘stepped in it’ this time,” Bounds chortled. “Here we have the President making a perfectly reasonable remark to the Jewish people who were nearly exterminated by a war brought on by a policy of appeasement and Obama goes ballistic. Such passion in defense of appeasement is a stunning revelation of what an Obama Administration portends for this country.”

Outrage at the President’s speech wasn’t confined to his domestic political opponents. Muhammad Barakei, a Muslim member of the Israeli parliament called the remarks “tantamount to a declaration of war. Hitler was one of the great visionaries of the 20th century. Bush’s insult of him can only fan the flames of hostility toward America for its efforts on behalf of the Zionist conspiracy to conquer the world.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm

[Billthedrill]

What is most interesting to me about the entire affair is that not only did Obama declare that the appeasement shoe fit, but dozens of his most vocal supporters in the media did so as well, loudly, persistently, and filled with the sort of contrived outrage usually reserved for junior college political demonstrations. Most of them didn't bother to deny the un-charge but simply to shriek that it was unseemly for it to have been made. And most of these were people who have spent the last eight years shrieking accusations at a sitting President. Are we to be told that the likes of Keith Olbermann, Chrissie Matthews, et al have been models of civility whose behavior the President ought to emulate?

Shall we offer Obama the same consideration that the editorial board of the NY Times has offered Bush, to wit constant misrepresentation, vituperation, and contumely? Shall we behave toward him with the same objectivity and benevolence shown Bush by Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Biden, Murtha, Harken, McKinney, and She Who Must Not Be Named?

Clearly not - that wouldn't be allowed by the Guardians Of Civility who, oddly, seem currently to be strictly Democrats. They set the rules, we are informed, but being Democrats insist on a different standard for their opponents than they have been observing themselves. These are people for whom the overriding sin is hypocrisy - in their opponents. These are people for whom the height of artistic expression is a clever slur, an unending string of accusations, a vicious rumor, and violence comfortably behind the back and within the protection of the court. These are liars and pimps protesting the "Republican slime machine" from their inner tubes afloat in an ocean of the stuff. These are our self-proclaimed arbiters of civility. It's only going to get worse.

[misharu]

Good LORD did Orson Scott Card nail it!!! I guess I’ll be running out to the store to start buying his books!!!

[misharu]

Majorly Ping!!

[keeper53]

bump to mark for later—excellent!

[utherdoul]

I disagree vehemantly with Card on issues of economics but he’s dead right on Obama and Islam.

[patriciaruth]

FYI article.

[patriciaruth]

Card is considering the possiblity that George W. Bush will have to become our Ender.

[patriciaruth]

Best books by Orson Scott Card:

Ender’s Game (military science fiction)
Enchantment (sword and sorcery fantasy)
Pastwatch: Christopher Columbus (changing the past fantasy)