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1 posted on 05/21/2008 11:54:26 AM PDT by null and void
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Absolute statements are always wrong.



Er -- let me rephrase that ....
2 posted on 05/21/2008 11:59:40 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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I’m still betting on whale oil to make a comeback. The next bio-fuel.


3 posted on 05/21/2008 11:59:58 AM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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Solar will never work...

Well if the price of electricity gets up to the 50 cents a kilowatt range it might : ) But you are right, it is a suckers bet.

4 posted on 05/21/2008 12:01:08 PM PDT by LeGrande
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The Japanese have rightly figured out there is more profit in making and selling these things to the European Union and North America than in selling to the domestic market-- even with conventional power generation costs substantially higher than ours.

Of course, they aren't afraid to use nuclear energy either. Neither are they afraid to disturb the habitat of the Albertan sand flea to partner with Canada on developing tar sands either.

The day may come that they will be refining and sending us petroleum products as well.

6 posted on 05/21/2008 12:07:58 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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Did the government stop subsidising them, somehow?

This article makes no sense without context.

8 posted on 05/21/2008 12:09:07 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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"Solar will never work... "

Sales are sliding because people (like me) who have spend small fortunes on them learn that they are crappy things that just don't work, need to be constantly maintained and replacement every five years, won't buy anymore. "Grid" power is cheaper and much less bother.

For all the carbon created manufacturing solar cells, you'd think they'd just build a nuclear reactor instead.

The article says 15% more Americans will learn this this year, and 24% more Europeons will learn this as well.

In other news,Brits have already learned that roof top windmills are equally useless, noisy, and generally a waste of money just like solar cells. If you want to try wind, you need to go big. That means tall towers, which are banned in most rural communities because of the visible eyesores that they become, plus annoying noises they make. (they aren't bad if you live way out in the country though)

9 posted on 05/21/2008 12:10:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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The current state of photovoltaic cells is still relatively inefficient, and most probably, the Japanese are looking for something with a much faster payback in terms of energy produced per units of currency spent for the system. How do the photovoltaic cells distribute and store the energy produced? Is there some kind of battery charging system, or does the power from the photovoltaic cells get augmented from the availability of distributed current from the power delivery grid?

Unless the system can make the electric meter spin backward, there is not much hope for the light-energy to electricity future.

I am holding out for bioluminescence.


11 posted on 05/21/2008 12:11:27 PM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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All that needs to be done is to set the the price to sell a KWH back to the grid higher then what is costs to purchase a KWH from the utility company as they have done in Germany, and you will have every roof in America making electricity. Germany ingenuity coupled with cutting-edge technology, now... Who would have thought of that? Luddites need not reply.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/german-sun-powers-a-revolution/2007/08/10/1186530617828.html


12 posted on 05/21/2008 12:12:38 PM PDT by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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The whole Japanese Housing sector appears to have sucked in 2007:

Japan's housing starts in November (07) plummeted 27.0 percent year on year to 84,252 units, declining for the fifth consecutive month, due to the lingering effects of tougher building regulations introduced June 20, the government said Thursday.

The annual total for 2007 seems set to slip below the 1.1 million mark for the first time in 40 yearswith the figure for January through November amounting...

I don't think you can blame PV's for the fact that they aren't selling in Japan. Who knows what those "tougher building regulations" say.

18 posted on 05/21/2008 12:27:48 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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Hmmm...
You post an article showing dropping sales and state the tech will never work.
Then you state several posts into the thread that you have solar installed on your roof and are at the break even point.

People that argue with themselves like this are usually the same kind of kooks still living off the Y2K supplies stored in their bomb shelters.

Have you actually been to Japan? Few Japanese actually have a roof of their own. Those that do, do not have a lot of surface area.

I would like to have a system of my own, but here in Minnesota high sun days are rare and power from the grid is still pretty cheap.


26 posted on 05/21/2008 12:53:17 PM PDT by toast
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