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China's power plants running out of coal
Yahoo News ^ | 05.20.08, 3:06 PM ET | JOE McDONALD

Posted on 05/20/2008 8:11:40 PM PDT by Fred

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To: MrEdd
I will point out to you that Not shipping fuel to China could wipe out our trade deficit with China almost overnight...much more cheaply.

Hadn't thought of it that way....my scheming circuit must need calibration.
21 posted on 05/20/2008 9:13:08 PM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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To: SamAdams76

LOL !!


22 posted on 05/20/2008 9:16:56 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Fred
"an unintended effect of government-mandated price controls - a throwback to communist central planning - to shield the public from rising global energy costs."

Gee, that sounds familiar.

23 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: SFConservative
"We know how to design safe plants and protect their perimeter."

Now that all of the suspect Babcock & Wilcox plants have been decommissioned, that is safe to say.

24 posted on 05/20/2008 9:18:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Amendment10
What became of the huge hydroelectric dam that China was building?

The lake behind the Three Gorges Dam has been filling up and the generators are currently producing over 15,000 MW. Final capacity is supposed to be 22,500 MW. To put this huge capacity into perspective, the dam will be able to power more than 10 times the demand of Al Gore's home.

25 posted on 05/20/2008 9:23:14 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Fred
Beijing has also frozen retail prices of gasoline and diesel.... Oil refiners say they are suffering heavy losses and some began cutting production last year, causing fuel shortages in parts of China's south.

Just like clockwork...

26 posted on 05/20/2008 9:26:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Fred
Beijing has also frozen retail prices of gasoline and diesel.... Oil refiners say they are suffering heavy losses and some began cutting production last year, causing fuel shortages in parts of China's south.

Just like clockwork...

27 posted on 05/20/2008 9:26:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SamAdams76
Re: Why not have nuclear power plants here at home lighting up our cities and powering our economy?

My late Father was a construction manager and when the first nuclear sub, USS Nautilus, was launched in 1954, Dad said that if the reactor design was successful, it would lead to every small city having their own providing electricity.

I agreed with him being only 7-years old, but as I grew older I fully expected it to come to pass. My Dad passed on it 1971 and the small nuclear plants design based on the ones driving our subs is still dead. As dead as the brain matter of all tree hugging Liberal Democrats!

28 posted on 05/20/2008 9:26:55 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: SamAdams76

I’m not in any way anti-nuke, but Three Mile Island was not a minor accident. It was literally minutes from melting out when one very smart operator figured out what had caused it and took action about 10 minutes before it wouldn’t have mattered.

It was a series (tradition you know) design flaw.


29 posted on 05/20/2008 9:29:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: C19fan

>>Sounds exactly like CA during the Davis era power crisis.

The CA power crisis was deliberately manufactured. Ever hear the audio of Enron floor traders calling the CA power plants and asking them to shut down? Arrogant bustards.


30 posted on 05/20/2008 9:31:25 PM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I remember being introduced by my neighbor to a closed radioactive facility in 75 . He was a safety engineer at ORNL. Along with his 2 kids and my brother we walked through this place together. It was fascinating. (His advice was stay away from the pool as we walked right next to it.) :^)


31 posted on 05/20/2008 9:39:24 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: SamAdams76
Think about it...the song See The Fire, an anti-nuclear energy song written and sung by Dan Fogelberg. Dan's no longer with us...he died of cancer and never got close to a nuclear power plant.
32 posted on 05/20/2008 9:39:30 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: SFConservative; All
To put this huge capacity into perspective, the dam will be able to power more than 10 times the demand of Al Gore's home.

Very impressive, the dam that is.

33 posted on 05/20/2008 9:45:08 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: vetvetdoug

That song was a hit on Reagan and everyone knew it. They lost.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 9:48:41 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: SFConservative
“Chernobyl for irrational fear “

It is not an irrational fear, it is fear based on very real, very deadly radioactive material.

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

Tells about the reactor accident and aftermath, not the sanitized version released for US domestic viewing.

The part about ‘radioactive for 48,000’ years caught my attention.

should we have nuke weapons? yes!

Do we need nuke plants in every town? NO.

35 posted on 05/20/2008 10:39:55 PM PDT by ASOC (Training Storungen werden auf Papier notiert. Taktische Storungen werden im Stein geatzt. Gen Rommel)
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All western reactors have taken cooling robustness, failure propagation, shut-down speed, and containment very seriously. The Soviet RBMK reactors were derived from weapons material production reactors and not much attention was paid to control margins and containment.

There is no question that the Chernobyl accident was extremely serious and impacted the area almost irreparably. I have seen Elena's website before and it tells an impressive story, plus she's a gutsy person and does a great job of describing her observations. But the media and anti-nuclear advocates never bother to explain the crucial architectural and safety differences between the RBMK reactors, which were an accident waiting to happen, and western reactors. It's much more effective to lump all nuclear reactors under the Chernobyl label and scare the public that doesn't have enough physics education to know when it is being fooled. And the foolers are often no more knowledgeable than the foolees.

The same problem works in the other direction when people are being sold on technologies that are inherently less effective and efficient than the "establishment" technology, and sometimes entirely unworkable; they don't have a sense of the physics that would make that obvious to them. Unfortunately, many of the "renewable" power technologies are in this category. Again, the foolers often don't know any more than the foolees in these cases.

It's the so-called experts who take advantage of these situations that are the problem and should be exposed. The foolers in the media don't have the wherewithal to understand their deception and expose them. The politicians take the shortcut of playing to the foolees to get easy votes. We have to keep yammering plus find our credible spokespersons to contain the damage of this. But I fear that something close to a collapse of western economies will be needed before the foolees' survival instinct gets invoked to take a balanced approach.

36 posted on 05/20/2008 11:29:43 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Fred

This is why price controls in the US as Hillary and Obama propose would never work.

We would return to the gas lines of the 70s, Carter Nightmare x2.


37 posted on 05/20/2008 11:39:42 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Fred
It is the second time in three months that Chinese power plants have run short of coal, an unintended effect of government-mandated price controls - a throwback to communist central planning - to shield the public from rising global energy costs.

A throwback? I don't think they've ever got rid of them. Socialists like to use price controls too. Like our Democrats. They swoon with the thought of price controls. To save the women and children of course.

38 posted on 05/20/2008 11:42:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy is the finest collection of hops and barley money can buy)
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To: JPJones
We have lots of coal, don’t we?

Yes, and we darned-well better keep it away from communist China.

39 posted on 05/21/2008 1:12:25 AM PDT by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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To: Retired Chemist
Pelosi needs to read this.

So she can come up with a law banning coal mining in the US?

Sorry, but we both know she lives in "Opposite World"...

40 posted on 05/21/2008 2:15:28 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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