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U.S. shooters feel pinch as ammo costs soar
Reuters ^ | Mon May 19 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 05/20/2008 5:50:16 AM PDT by 300magnum

TOMBSTONE, Ariz (Reuters) - Gunslinger Bob Krueger blasts away at his outlaw rivals at a tourist show in this storied Old West town, although rising ammo costs may force him to choose his shots.

Krueger and his gnarly band of pistoleros are among millions of shooters, hunters and even lawmen across the United States feeling the pinch as sky-high metals prices and demand from wars abroad are driving up the price of bullets.

Ammo prices for many popular guns have more than tripled in the last three years, driven in large part by surging demand for metals in rapidly industrializing China.

As the Asian giant becomes wealthier, millions of tons of copper, lead and zinc, which are also used to make bullets and brass shell-casings, are being snapped up.

Shooters, gun dealers and sheriffs say the impact has been further aggravated by competition for limited ammo stocks with the U.S. military, currently fighting wars on two fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Everybody is feeling it," said Krueger, a Stetson wearing cowboy whose show blasts through hundreds of rounds of blank ammo each week at Six Gun City in Tombstone.

"If things get bad enough, we may all just get one bullet each," he said, to laughter from his grizzled buddies.

HUNTING FOR AMMO

Dealers complain that the cost of rifle ammunition has doubled and even tripled in the past two years, with similar increases for some hand gun ammunition.

Lynn Kartchner, a gun shop owner in nearby Douglas, Arizona, says he now pays $250 for a case of 1,000 rounds of assault rifle ammunition, up from $80 two years ago, while a box of popular 9 mm shells has jumped to $17 from $10.

"Price rises have been accompanied by scarcity for certain kinds of ammo," Kartchner told Reuters in his shop, which is packed with rifles, pistols and shooting paraphernalia.

"There isn't as much variety, and a lot of people snap up whatever they can get their hands on," he added.

Increased costs and competition for ammo is also being born by police forces across the United States, among them the sheriff's department in Cochise County on the Arizona-Mexico border, which faces incursions from armed smugglers and even bandits from south of the line.

Last year the department faced a four-month delay acquiring rifle cartridges and had to dip into ammo reserves, rousing the concern of Sheriff Larry Dever.

"We do face people in this environment down here who are heavily armed, sometimes with higher capacity armaments than we carry," Dever said.

"The last thing we want do is find ourselves in a situation where we are not training sufficiently so that (deputies) can maintain those very important proficiencies," he added.

HOARDING, RELOADING

Demand for metals is tipped to stay strong in China for the next decade.

Cowboy shows and lawmen aside, high ammo prices are being shouldered by millions of target shooters and hunters across the United States, many of them working people on a limited budget.

"If you have three of four children, and they all go out on a hunting trip, the cost of ammo can be a bit of a burden," said Luis Hernandez, a keen deer, bird and varmint hunter from Douglas.

To keep costs low, many hobby shooters are now scouring gun shows, gun shops and the Internet in search of cheap ammunition, which some then buy in bulk and hoard against further price rises.

Others either shoot less, switch to smaller caliber ammunition such as .22 which is cheaper, or are increasingly turning to reloading their old shell cases.

"The main saving is in the brass casing, which is the most expensive part," said Hernandez, who reckons on saving up to $20 on a box of some premium rifle cartridges by reloading.

Other shooters and dealers are holding out hope that ammunition manufacturers will develop cheaper alternatives.

"High cost drives innovation," said Kartchner. "There has been some interest in plastic or aluminum cartridge cases in the past, so I'm hopeful they will come up with something. We'll just have to see."

(Reporting by Tim Gaynor; Additional reporting by Ed Stoddard; Editing by Eddie Evans)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; reloading
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To: xmission
I use CCI 300 for .45, CCI 200 for 9mm and CCI 550 for .357 and Remingnton 9 1/2 for .308.


61 posted on 05/20/2008 9:10:24 AM PDT by Current Occupant (GOD gave the US plentiful energy sources. The Rats say, to heck with you, we don't want it.)
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To: Current Occupant

bttt


62 posted on 05/20/2008 9:10:57 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Current Occupant

Prudent advice.


63 posted on 05/20/2008 9:17:32 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus
I've got extra hi-cap mags for all my handguns except for my SIG P226 X-5 Competition. They cost 98.00 each and don't expect them to go down any time soon.


64 posted on 05/20/2008 9:22:33 AM PDT by Current Occupant (GOD gave the US plentiful energy sources. The Rats say, to heck with you, we don't want it.)
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To: woollyone

If you go to www.midwayusa.com you can pick everything you need for about 150.00, maybe cheaper. Lee Precision is the way to go.

Lee produces good quality presses and dies.


65 posted on 05/20/2008 9:44:57 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: woollyone

Get this outfit. It is the most popular way to start reloading:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=423081&t=11082005

A set of dies, 25.00 or so, and you are in business.

Because the wheelweights are disappearing into the trucks of recyclers, a lot of recyclers are using #8 shot. It is esentially the perfect mix of lead, antimony and arsenic. More expensive than wheelweights, but available and fairly cheap.


66 posted on 05/20/2008 10:13:50 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Current Occupant

good idea on the mags.

Ammo at Wallyworld has not increased in a bit over 3 months, so they are due for a hike real soon!

A neighbor/friend has been buying as many hicap FAs that the budget can handle in the hope of resales at profit and is doing as much private sale as possible.

Changes are a-comin’


67 posted on 05/20/2008 10:14:37 AM PDT by woollyone (100rnds bought per week adds up to over 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)
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To: TexanToTheCore

“a lot of recyclers are using #8 shot.”

Should read “ a lot of reloaders are using #8 shot.”


68 posted on 05/20/2008 10:16:31 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: TexanToTheCore

Much less than I expected!
That certainly makes recovery of initial investment much sooner and righ on to saving.

Will check into it!
ty!


69 posted on 05/20/2008 10:17:22 AM PDT by woollyone (100rnds bought per week adds up to over 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)
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To: TexanToTheCore

great looking out.
I’m checking that out.

Now I shoot .223/.38/9mm/.357/.45ACP will this one kit do most or all of those?


70 posted on 05/20/2008 10:24:50 AM PDT by woollyone (100rnds bought per week adds up to over 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)
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To: VRing

How about dumping the bullets in water after they’re cast?


71 posted on 05/20/2008 10:31:03 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: woollyone
I still pick up a box of the 100 white box of some caliber when I go there and you're right, prices pretty much stable for now but it's going to go up.

The .45 was like 30.00, brass is around .22c so I can shoot the stuff and have the brass for cheap.


72 posted on 05/20/2008 10:31:57 AM PDT by Current Occupant (GOD gave the US plentiful energy sources. The Rats say, to heck with you, we don't want it.)
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To: woollyone

Yes, the kit will do all of those calibers with the appropriate dies. Eahc caliber uses a different die set.


73 posted on 05/20/2008 10:34:55 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: woollyone

“That certainly makes recovery of initial investment much sooner and righ on to saving.”

I was quite surprised at how cheap and easy it is to reload. If I had known, I would have done it decades ago.

Lee says that normally you will have paid back the cost of your equipment in 1/2 to 1 hour of reloading. I paid mine off at one hour on the 110th round. Theat 110th round was quite a thrill.


74 posted on 05/20/2008 10:38:17 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: P8riot

Holy cow, man


75 posted on 05/20/2008 10:40:15 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. - Optimus Prime)
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To: TexanToTheCore

price is right and I’d like to learn the skill.

Next paycheck, my ammo funds will go to midway!

Thanks for the line!


76 posted on 05/20/2008 10:44:33 AM PDT by woollyone (100rnds bought per week adds up to over 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)
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To: woollyone

A tip for bullet seating:

Save out one of your factory loads and place it in the shell holder. Run the adjusting nut of the bullet seating die down to the point that it touches the bullet of the factory round. The bullet seating of your new rounds should be nearly perfect.

www.leeprecision.com has a number of helpful videos that can really simplify your reloading. That is where I picked up the bullet seating trick.


77 posted on 05/20/2008 10:48:10 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: WayneS

Don’t cast backpowder rounds from wheelwights. It could result in very high pressures. Blackpowder rounds are always cast from pure lead for safety and accuracy reasons.


78 posted on 05/20/2008 10:50:32 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: woollyone

Good luck and drop me a line if you have any questions....


79 posted on 05/20/2008 10:55:32 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: TexanToTheCore
Each bullet type and weight has different seating dephts depending on ogive. I would only use that method to get close. JMO.


80 posted on 05/20/2008 11:23:07 AM PDT by Current Occupant (GOD gave the US plentiful energy sources. The Rats say, to heck with you, we don't want it.)
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