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To: silverleaf; All

Can anyone tell me how many of these are climatologists who are published in the peer review literature. Peer review literature means that other scientists can evaluate their arguments and provide counterarguments and/or data. I would be interested in more information as to whether these “scientists” are actually working in a scientific field, and if they are if it is even remotely related to this topic. I have a degree in “general science” with a minor in education, have worked in a scientific laboratory, but hardly consider myself a scientist.


12 posted on 05/19/2008 10:37:21 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

One can turn your argument around and ask much the same of the scientsist that Gore relies on. Of course, it is easier for some to be published than others, so that is not a totally reliable test. If there is a consensus, it is that the world’s climate changes over time. That is certain. The rest is speculation.


15 posted on 05/19/2008 10:51:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: gleeaikin

Here’s a start:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1895339/posts


20 posted on 05/20/2008 1:02:48 AM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: gleeaikin
Can anyone tell me how many of these are climatologists who are published in the peer review literature.

I see Dr. Edward Teller is on the list. I'm pretty sure he's been peer reviewed.....more than once......

23 posted on 05/20/2008 4:44:06 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: gleeaikin

I suggest you glean through the 31,000 names and check out their CV for yourself.

I say their credentials are valid to debate this issue from an opposing view. You find the facts to disprove me.

I’ve been through this argument- when the journals and books that global warming critics publish are cited, the argument by the liberal left intellectual mafia is that they are not “peer reviewed”. Not withstanding the fact that “the peers” have their panties tightly twisted enough to sneer about the substance of those books and journals.

Or they dig into someone’s background and discover that when they were a grad student, he/she worked under a grant from - gasp- a petroleum institute or GE or some evil commercial entity that is out to rape the planet. Or they spoke at a symposium or receievd funding through the Discovery Institute. How liberal intellectuals HATE the Discovery Institute. Bunch of anti-scientific knuckle dragging neocon creationists. So how could their discoveries possibly be considered valid? Dismissal of the messenger’s worthiness to be heard is the form or “peer review” usually practiced. (But check out the CV of the scientists affiliated).

Frankly with the PC attitude of our universities and even our Govt institutions which are staffed by anonymous but rabidly liberal minions, peer review means - censorship. Soft or hard.

So, it is hard to get “peer reviewed” when the peers have their minds made up, when you are censored from receiving funding to challenge those veiws, when you have to climb over high hurdles and find secondary sources to publish, and when the ultimate weapon is censure (ridicule, professional shunning, or even job loss) if you manage to do so. The “peers’” tactic these days is to attack and discredit the speaker, thus leaving themselves
(so they believe) immune and far too intellectually superior to debate the weight of his argument.

For an example of this elitist censorship, check out the scientific credentials of Rickard Dawkin.

“Not peer reviewed” is a rather ingenuous and vacuous standard, in this day. But hey- knock yourself out.

But also check out the CV of those who criticize them. For starters, have you checked out global leader Algor’s scientific background?


24 posted on 05/20/2008 5:35:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: gleeaikin

Here ya go, from the past but similar initiative. This was a similar project undertaken by global warming critic Frederick Seitz in the late 1990’s.

Over 31,000 (brave) scientists are listed. The criteria for being included on the petition, the names, the qualifications and an overview of peer review, is provided.

http://www.petitionproject.org/


25 posted on 05/20/2008 5:54:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: gleeaikin
Peer review literature means that other scientists can evaluate their arguments and provide counterarguments and/or data.

Peer review is also a device by which entire scientific thoughts can be excluded.

If the proponents of theory 'A' are in a position to and decide to exclude from publication journal articles which indicate data support theory 'B' and refute theory 'A', those articles do not get published.

A colleague wrote a paper on paleopatterned ground on White Butte in North Dakota, and his field work indicated that there were indeed permafrost polygons there on the butte, a remnant of the last ice age.

Despite the evidence, the paper was rejected because "...there never has been any permafrost in North Dakota".

Circular reasoning is as pretty as such rejections of valid findings get.

When one considers the reputations on the line and the vast sums of ongoing grant money for findings which enable the manipulation of the entire global economy, mere logical error would seem benign by comparison to the motivation present to stifle debate.

43 posted on 03/06/2010 9:21:52 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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