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What's up with the prairie dresses?
MSNBC ^ | Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:15 AM | By Don Teague, NBC News Correspondent

Posted on 05/18/2008 10:05:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2

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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Where I'm from, the UPC (United Pentecostal Church) would dress like that. They believed the Bible said that it was a sin to dress as a member of the opposite dress, so no pants or short hair for women. Is this so wrong?

The hair is not in a pompadour or fancy teased style, it is variations of a pile or twist of hair on the head, to get it off the neck and out of the way. Some UPC'ers told me that only their husbands were allowed to see their hair 'down'. Single girls would have hair down to their behind. It was not so very long ago when a woman would 'let her hair down' was considered shocking.

21 posted on 05/19/2008 5:12:48 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: UCANSEE2

Prairie dresses and similar modest dress is warn by very many very godly women who are not involved in cults. They appreciate the modesty and “safety” provided in them.

My wife and daughters are included in that number, along with many women (not all women) in our church. We are neither LDS, Mennonite, nor Amish, by the way.

My daughters will not wear dresses or skirts that are any shorter than 6 inches below the bottom of the knees when sitting. And usually they are much longer. They don’t show chest or a lot of arm either, and they are not tight fitting. They are colorful and varied in design, however, and are beautiful.

Our girls attract a lot of eyes, and usually I am approached by young men who have some charater about them. It is not prudish dress, and it is not evidence of a prudish attitude; it is “safe” dress. Young men with less character and mean bearing figure they won’t get their hands on these girls, and don’t come too near.

We married off our second daughter in Nov. ‘06 to a very fine prinicpled young man who was attacted to principle of modesty, rather than being attracted by seeing flesh. This young man didn’t approach my daughter first; he approached me.


22 posted on 05/19/2008 5:16:31 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: UCANSEE2

I wouldn’t expect the residents of the FLDS to say anything different about how they live.

There’s a huge discrepancy between what they say goes on and what people like Carolyn and Flora Jessop say.

I don’t like evasive answers either.

The results of the DNA testing and medical exams for child abuse should be very telling.


23 posted on 05/19/2008 5:21:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sportutegrl
The hair is not in a pompadour

A prime example of why I should avoid threads about FLDS. We cannot even agree on the correct term for a hairstyle.
I'm going to believe my eyes, and I see pompadours! :)

24 posted on 05/19/2008 5:23:01 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( Uh...fight SCD. Schwa Collapse Disorder is spreading. Save the a word. Just say uh.)
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To: oldenuff2no
They imprisoned innocent adults without due process.

What jail were they in and on what charges?

25 posted on 05/19/2008 5:23:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Soliton
Does it ever occur to you that Carolyn Jessop might not be a reliable source?

And why should we consider you a reliable source? What gives you more credibility than her? Do you know things about this cult that we don't and how would you corroborate it?

26 posted on 05/19/2008 5:26:25 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: oldenuff2no
They have a tough one on their hands. The more I think about it, the more they should have made the men leave the ranch and then monitored it while the process took place rather than rake up 400 plus innocent children and scatter them to the 4 winds. The hard part is that just because a church member or neighbor breaks the law doesn't mean I am also breaking the law. The guilt by association being assumed is ground breaking tyranny by civil law. Wasn't that how Hilter started by getting Jews out of the public baths and pools. Civil judges whereby the thresholds are much lower and the people don't have to vote.
27 posted on 05/19/2008 5:28:09 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: Soliton
Does it ever occur to you that Carolyn Jessop might not be a reliable source?

It occurs to me that the residents of flds are not reliable sources.

They know that what they are doing is illegal and wrong and I expect them to deny practicing it. They would never be able to admit that polygamy and statutory rape is going on because that would be an admission of guilt of breaking the laws of the state of Texas and then they'd be screwed.

I have lots more reason to believe that they are not reliable sources, ie, that they're lying, than I do from Carolyn Jessop and other people like her who have left.

28 posted on 05/19/2008 5:42:49 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: commonguymd
The more I think about it, the more they should have made the men leave the ranch and then monitored it while the process took place rather than rake up 400 plus innocent children and scatter them to the 4 winds.

And on what legal basis that would be acceptable to the anti-government folks could that have been done?

Texas has legal provision to remove children from a residence that they have reason to believe is abusive. What provision would the state have to kick the men out of their own homes?

That's also presuming that only the men are abusers in this situation and that the women are innocent in this regard and that has not yet been established. If the women were participants in the abuse, then removing the men would not have protected the children from much except the rape part.

29 posted on 05/19/2008 5:50:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812

Elissa Wall will be on Larry King tonight.


30 posted on 05/19/2008 6:00:54 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: commonguymd

CPS is not authorized to remove anyone but the children.


31 posted on 05/19/2008 6:03:17 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Soliton; pandoraou812
These are your words not mine

No just synopsis of your implications.

You got pwnz, in the vernacular of the day.

32 posted on 05/19/2008 6:57:14 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

It’s about control.


33 posted on 05/19/2008 7:01:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Okay, wasn’t sure. I had heard it bantered a bit and thought that during the investigation process it would have been a lot less intrusive. Especially if the majority end up back at home anyway.


34 posted on 05/19/2008 7:10:59 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out. All three of them.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Thanks.

My grandmother, who has been gone a little over 20 years now, had hair to her waist and she never left the house without it up in a bun. I think I was a teenager before I ever knew she actually had long hair. Typically long sleeve, long dresses although she occasionally wore short sleeves.

If you look at the old timers, they all wear long sleeves, long pants, long dresses, and usually hats. They're the old prudes that DON'T get skin cancer.

35 posted on 05/19/2008 7:21:34 AM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: MrEdd
You got pwnz, in the vernacular of the day.

All I did was ask if it had been considered that the source might be unreliable. I ALWAYS consider the reliability of my sources before relying on them. Thus far, the proven lies have been committed by the anti-FLDS crowd, mostly law enforcement.

36 posted on 05/19/2008 7:21:51 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: 1000 silverlings; Alice in Wonderland; aMorePerfectUnion; ansel12; bonfire; brytlea; Clara Lou; ...

FIP ping


37 posted on 05/19/2008 7:29:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Yep,
Exactly——
Bondage and discipline Little House on the Prairie Style.


38 posted on 05/19/2008 7:34:36 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Most guys see themselves is Brad Pitt, and think every woman here is Aunt Bea)
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To: Soliton

And there it is.....persons who have left and told their story may not be reliable. Dare I say defender?


39 posted on 05/19/2008 7:43:23 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Soliton; MrEdd
All I did was ask if it had been considered that the source might be unreliable. I ALWAYS consider the reliability of my sources before relying on them. Thus far, the proven lies have been committed by the anti-FLDS crowd, mostly law enforcement.

And they are?

What are your reliable sources that corroborate your statement?

40 posted on 05/19/2008 8:05:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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