Posted on 05/18/2008 10:05:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
"Three weeks into covering the polygamous ranch raid story, I keep hearing from colleagues throughout NBC News who want to know more about how members of the sect live."
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"Here are some of the things members of the sect told me about life on the YFZ Ranch – which stands for Yearn For Zion – in Eldorado, Texas:"
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"Much of the above sharply contrasts with the picture of alleged physical and sexual abuse painted by state investigators. The courts will ultimately decide which version of the truth is closer to reality. I can’t say whether what ranch residents tell me is true or not, but I thought you’d be interested in what they said." Source: http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/23/935617.aspx
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If the state can take an unborn child into custody then that has large implications for abortion rights. By the way I’m opposed to abortion.
This is not individual hearings.
That thread only took four posts to begin the “you support child rape” allegations.
Abortion is only one of the things it could affect the rights of all pregnant women is a concern.
I to am opposed to abortion.
Well since I was going "straight" through your post, the faulty reasoning may lie with you.
I won’t engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
I’m talking about Federal tax exemption.
Churches here where I live pay property taxes as it sounds like they do in Texas. The FLDS complex in Texas may pay the largest amount in that county because it has the so much land, many structures, and costly infrastructure (roadways, fences, wells, septic systems, etc.).
The large scale detention of FLDS males at the YFZ ranch is not the kind of “investigative detention” authorized by the Supreme Court in Terry v. Ohio. Terry allows law enforcement to briefly detain and question a person concerning his identity, his purpose for being in a given area or location, and to make other similar inquiries of an investigative nature.
The FLDS detentions, therefore, are “arrests” under state law – and it will be state law that will decide the legality of those arrests. See: Milton v. State, 549 S.W.2d 190, 192 (Tex.Crim.app. 1977), In all likelihood, these arrests were made without arrest warrants. Tex. Code Crim. Proc. § 14.03(a)(1) authorizes a warrantless arrest of “persons found in suspicious places and under circumstances which reasonably show that such persons have been guilty of some felony.” This statute requires “the legal equivalent of constitutional probable cause.” See: Amores, supra, at 413.
“That thread only took four posts to begin the “you support child rape” allegations.”
Yeah, I saw that. That’s why I’m not posting over there.
“Don’t know the exact requirements, but it’s not “whenever” we get to you. “
IIRC, it is 14 days.
I also read the Judge knew that was impossible to meet, so she stated there was a ruling that provided for ‘extending’ that period, due to the unusual circumstances.
who did they arrest?
Just because you don’t agree with their religious beliefs does not make them a cult. What kind of building do the Jews worship in??? How does not claiming tax exempt status make their beliefs any less valid??? I defiantly do not want you to be a part of any government that is making decisions about my faith or my church. I do not believe with them either but as long as they are not breaking any laws they have a right to believe any way they want to. So far not one person has been charged with a crime in this matter.
That caught my eye as my sister was taught by her son's pediatric heart surgeon to use a balloon stick to switch the back of her son's calves to discipline him. They sting but have no real impact force like a butt swat which could have been harmful to his very delicate heart.
Balloon sticks are thin wooden or plastic sticks about 2 ft long that balloons are tied to instead of strings that tangle by balloon sellers at carnivals and circuses.
Incredibly weird that it could be presented as "abuse". It's right up there with getting your hand thwacked with a ruler.
“The state had no proof they were under age they were detained because of a wild ass guess. “
OK. Let’s say you are correct.
Still, what does that prove?
“I do not believe with them either but as long as they are not breaking any laws they have a right to believe any way they want to.”
But that is exactly what this case is all about.
They were, and allegedly are, breaking the law.
“Nice try, but they were not pregnant and they are not minors!!!!”
Did the court release them from custody, once the court had seen valid proof of their age?
“So far not one person has been charged with a crime in this matter.”
Either there will be some arrests, or the whole case would seem to fall apart.
Would be real nice If I had a time machine, and I could go to the future, come back, and tell you what happened.
However, we’re just going to have to wait and see.
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