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To: ansel12; TheWasteLand
This kind of garbage is laying the groundwork for legalizing polygamy. It will accomplish several leftist goals at once. An increase in radical “freedom” - always a liberal goal, so long as it fits with their cultural agenda. Further weakening and degradation of the traditional family as the basic unit of society - the family has always been the great enemy of statism. The next step in the liberal multicultural appeasement of muslims.A slippery slope indeed.

Jacob had a wife, he then married another wife, he then had sex with them and brought forth children. He later took a slave girl from each one of his wives and brought forth more children. In total he had 12 sons with 4 different women. Those sons became the twelve tribes of Israel.

For background, Abraham had a son by his wife's servant named Ishmael. He had another, the child of promise through his original wife. That childs name was Issac who then begat sons , one Esau one Jacob. Jacob became the father of the twelve tribes.

How bad was Jacobs family in your eyes and Gods I wonder.

I know of quite a few women who lived the feminist dream and are now in their mid to late 30's with no prospects. They are cool girls but the though of being unmarried for their whole life depressing.

Why is it your business if they were fine with living with a married man and he brought up children with these women?

I don't think the government should give tax breaks for these extra wives and would have to cap the child deduction at a certain number but other than that what is the problem?

66 posted on 05/18/2008 5:47:15 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

Free will-— as long as all parties enter into it via free will and it’s not about geezers getting teenagers handed over by their Mamas.


84 posted on 05/18/2008 6:25:40 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Most guys see themselves is Brad Pitt, and think every woman here is Aunt Bea)
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To: normy; ansel12; TheWasteLand
How bad was Jacobs family in your eyes and Gods I wonder.

Well, on the positive side with Jacob...
...he made a vow for God to be his God (Gen. 28:20)
...it was not of his choosing to enter into polygamy. In one sense, he did the honorable thing to wake up & discover having slept with a surprise bride...(that culture wasn't the type where you could throw a non-virgin back into the general pool like a fish too small).
...he overcame the angel of the Lord in a wrestling match & demanded a blessing from him (Gen. 32).

Still, Jacob stole blessings belonging to his brother Esau by way of deception (Gen. 27). [And in God's world, sometimes what comes around goes around]. In fact, Jacob's very name means supplanter, which = usurper, wrongdoer, offender, claimjumper.

You'll note that Jacob's transformative experience with God doesn't happen until after Jacob's baby marathon (Gen. 32 after Gen. 30). And it's usually a name change that's indicative in Scripture of God coming in to transform a person from their old life to new life [Jacob to Israel in Gen. 32; Abram to Abraham in Gen. 17; Sarai to Sarah; Saul to Paul; Simon Peter to Peter the Rock, etc.]

As for Jacob's family...
...the concubine Bilhah slept with one of Jacob's sons, Reuben (Gen. 35:22).
Son Judah thought he was sleeping with a prostitute, but she turned out to be a daughter-in-law (Tamar).
Sons Simeon & Levi took revenge on an entire city over the rape of their sister (Dinah), killing every male in that city (Gen. 34:25), even though only one man was guilty.

Son Dan is Jacob's late-life "blessing" is referenced as a "serpent" and "viper" (Gen. 49:17)--not exactly a prophetic compliment...as it turns out the Danites fail to fully possess their allotted land (Judges 1:34-35)...failed to support Deborah (Judged 5:17)...and are wiped away as a tribe to the point where Dan isn't even mentioned among the tribes in Rev. 7:5-8.
The jealous sons all conspired to rid of the family the baby of the family, Joseph--pondering killing him before selling him off to another land, and like their dad did, deceived him into thinking Joseph was dead (more of what comes around, goes around).

So jealousy (Gen. 30:1; 37) raged in Jacob's household over a generation of time; and deception raged in his households from the time he was young until his empty-nest years.

85 posted on 05/18/2008 6:25:42 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: normy
I don't think the government should give tax breaks for these extra wives and would have to cap the child deduction at a certain number but other than that what is the problem?

Serial polygamy, legalized by current divorce laws, has wrought enormous destruction upon our culture. Legalizing polygamy itself would only compound that.

In my opinion legalized polygamy is another step on the slippery slope into moral nihilism, something the left is feverishly working towards - a point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.

156 posted on 05/18/2008 11:27:46 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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