Larry Sinclair: Obama Lawsuit Dismissed; Sinclair Attacks Michelle Obama

The Larry Sinclair story has been filled with accusations and allegations but interspersed between the innuendo and claims of illicit sex, illegal drugs, and now murder, are some cold, hard facts that Sinclair hasn't been eager to share: the February 25th ruling made by Judge Raymond L. Erickson in the District of Minnesota Federal Court.

Sinclair has upped the ante by personally attacking Michelle Obama referring to her today in a post entitled: Michelle Obama: The Reason She Is A Bitter, Evil Bitch; She Just Can't Toss Barack's Tea Bags!"

The website Overlawyered.com has posted an update on the status of the first Federal lawsuit filed by Sinclair in the District Court of Minneapolis versus Senator Obama, David Axelrod, and the DNC. A direct link to the magistrate's thorough report and recommendations can be found at Overlawyered.

The final judgment was rendered on March 19 where Judge James M. Rosenbaum dismissed Sinclair's case. Ted Frank at Overlawyered points out that the judge dismissed the "plainly frivolous case sua sponte without requiring the victimized defendants to expend legal fees in responding".

Larry Sinclair has a current lawsuit which Judge Kennedy has determined could go forward.

The following is a transcript of a radio interview that Rev. Manning did with Jeff Rense on May 12, 2008. It’s about Rev. Wright and also about Larry Sinclair. Rev. Manning has a congregration in Harlem.

“RENSE: “Ok. Welcome back. I hope you had a good weekend as we step up into another week. Without question the biggest story of the American political primary season is the allegation made by Larry Sinclair of drugs and oral sex with Barack Obama. The story has been suppressed, as you well know. The only program of note which has been carrying it is this one. We have done five special interviews with Larry Sinclair.

“The Globe, an American tabloid, has come up with its second edition on this story. The headline: Obama caught up in gay murder probe. Upper left corner. You’ll see it apparently on newsstands this week. We have the story itself up at rense.com., in Feature Stories and in the Larry Sinclair feature story section.

“The story just got a lot bigger. The Pastor James Manning, who has been outspoken, and we have had his materials at rense.com in the past, has come forward and made allegations which back up Larry Sinclair’s essential thesis that Barack Obama is bisexual, homosexual or gay, whatever your preference.

“What I would like to do is play just a little bit of the clip from Pastor Manning, which is featured on YouTube and on rense.com. It deals with Oprah Winfrey, the Reverend Wright and Senator Obama. I’m going to pick it up where he begins to speak about Reverend Wright and then Senator Obama.

“Pastor Manning is our guest this first hour, and he’s standing by now. But let me first welcome him to the program, Pastor Manning, thank you for being here.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Thank you so very much, Jeff, for having me. I’m delighted to be on tonight.”

RENSE: “Thank you, Sir. Let’s let our listeners hear a little bit of what the Internet audioclip, videoclip has to say. Here we go.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Thus saith the Lord, God Almighty, his name is Jesus, on the report of the Trinity of Hell.

“The Reverend Doctor Jeremiah Wright is a closet homosexual. The Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a closet homosexual. The Oprah Winfrey is a suspected lesbian. These three, all members of the Trinity United Church in Chicago, Illinois.

“The reason why Senator Barack Hussein Obama stayed within the Trinity of Hell for so long, for 20 years, is because of a homosexual relationship with his minister.

“Thus saith the Lord God Almighty, who says that: I am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of both death and hell.

“Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a long-legged pimp. Senator Barack Hussein Obama is supported by a billionaire named George Soros, who founded an organization named MoveOn.org to rescue former president William Jefferson Clinton during his impeachment hearings some time ago. This Now organization, or Move On organization, has now thrown its ugly left-wing support wholeheartedly behind Barack Hussein Obama, pouring nearly $200 million into the pockets of Barack Hussein Obama and in advertising to support his candidacy. He spent nearly all of that money with white agencies, white hotels, white businesses, white newspapers, and very little, if any, was spent with black television or black radio.

“Barack Hussein Obama played and pimped Warren Ballantine, Michael Baisden, Russ Parr, Roland Martin, and Tavis Smiley, just to name a few. They gave it up for free. He pimped nearly all of the black media, gave them no money, but they gave it up for free. I say unto you that they were played by the master player. Now, this Trinity of Hell: the Father, the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright; the Son, the Senator Barack Hussein Obama; and the whore girl, Oprah Winfrey. These three, now, they are looking to be the President, the Vice President, and the Secretary of State.

“This is the report on the Trinity of Hell, and I am Pastor James David Manning. Peace be unto you.”

RENSE: “And Pastor Manning is again our guest this first hour. Those were some powerful words, Pastor Manning. How long did you have to consider before you went forward to make such a statement?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Not very long. I have been, as you may be aware, been making statements about Barack Hussein Obama for the last year. And my most poignant, I think, was made back in February regarding him and his mother. And I was aware of these statements as homosexual being of himself and also of Reverend Wright, but I have just now released those statements myself on my latest YouTube post.”

RENSE: “I understand. I ran those earlier clips as well, and I was pretty amazed to see a Black American stand up and tell it from a unique perspective. As we know, most Black Americans are certainly in lockstep behind the Obama campaign.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Yes, they are.”

RENSE: “You’re making statements, Sir that again mirror and echo those of Larry Sinclair.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Absolutely, yes, and I am…”

RENSE: “…What is…Go ahead…”

PASTOR MANNING: “No, no, you continue.”

RENSE: “…What is it that you have to lean on that give you the certainty and the guarantee that your allegations have a solid basis in fact?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Let me say this. My statements are as solid as a rock and at the opportune time I will demonstrate them as I did when I made statements regarding his mother, and about himself and his father and what went on in their relationship when they first came together.

“And I also stated then that I will only make my proof of my statements available at the opportune time.

“For several reasons. One is that the Obama campaign is a very shrewd campaign and they are able to circumvent you. If you put your information out and if you’re not fully protected with it, they know how, that David Axelrod and all that crowd, knows exactly how to circumvent. And the Obama campaign also has absolute sway over the liberal media, and so they know how to quash a story in a moment. The way they are doing with Larry Sinclair.

“The other item is that when I did put my statement out regarding his mother and how he came into being, that he is indeed a bastard. About a month after I put my statement out, Time magazine came out with an article trying to color his mother. They did not try to make her look like a saint, they tried to identify some of the things I’ve said, but they wanted to put them in their own language.

“I was right then, I’m right now. I think the thing which is most telling about this Trinity of Hell, as I have called him, Jeremiah Wright is definitely a closet homosexual, there is no doubt about it. And Obama is as well, and Larry Sinclair will testify to that.

“But there are a lot of folk at the Trinity United Church of Christ and around Chicago that will testify to the fact that Obama is a homosexual, or, as you stated and introduced it, a bisexual, because he is married and obviously enjoys relationship with women as well.

“But my proof is as solid as a rock, and at the opportune time, I will demonstrate it.”

RENSE: “When you first heard of Larry Sinclair and his allegations, did that surprise you at all that it came…”

PASTOR MANNING: “Not at all. I was, you know, I was, I knew that, knowing what I knew about Obama. When you are homosexual and you’re in the closet, you’re constantly trying to feed that sex drive without being caught. And when you have a high visibility, such as he is, you know, you’re always dramatizing what you’re doing and you’re bringing more people into your, I suppose, your web of sin.

“Now that he has become a Presidential candidate, he has to scrutinize himself more but that sexual drive does not go away. So, no, I was not surprised to hear what Larry Sinclair had to say.”

RENSE: “So I think what you are suggesting here is: it is not exactly an unknown issue that he is at least bisexual?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Well, I think that, absolutely, I have to ???? that, but also I won’t abuse the analogy, and I don’t want you people to think I’m in support of Bill Clinton either. But you know, everybody knew about Clinton’s problems, before and while he was a Governor, and when he was running for president, and everyone knew about them. It’s just that, you know, these people are able to manage the press, and that’s why I’m carefully guarding the things that I’m saying or demonstrating my proof, they are able to manage the press in such a way, and public opinion in such a way as to, even though these things are well-known, and people like Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, whoever comes out, they are able to squash them in such a way as to make the people who come out and make statements look foolish. So I’m watching myself very carefully.”

RENSE: “And then again what I hear in your words and that you have considerably more evidence than you have revealed thus far.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Oh, yes. Absolutely.”

RENSE: “Stand by, Pastor Manning, if you will, we have a short time and we come right back.

“Extraordinary information for you here, on the Jeff Rense program
I’m glad you’re along and we shall continue.

“Ok, and we’re back. You can view again theYouTube presentation of Pastor Manning’s statement any time you like. It is right here at rense.com. Have you spoken with Larry Sinclair ever?”

PASTOR MANNING: “No, I have not. I have been aware of him now for about three weeks, if I’m not mistaken.”

RENSE: “That’s all?”

PASTOR MANNING: “I think so, yes, not much more than that, if more than that certainly not much more than a day of so. But here, this past week, it may have been Thursday of last week.–and I don’t know Larry Sinclair, and of course I am just becoming aware of him as short as three weeks ago. But I received an email from someone. I’m not in my office now. I’m kind of doing this remotely from my study.”

RENSE: “That’s fine.”

PASTOR MANNING: But I received an email from someone who does know Larry Sinclair. I don’t know the name of the person. It was a two-page email. I don’t have time to real all of my emails, but one of my staff told me I should read that particular one. And I sat down and I read it very calmly.

“And that person who wrote to me knows Larry Sinclair well. But that person was also able to reach me spiritually, the way that person wrote and talked about what was in my heart for an entire page before he mentioned anything about Larry Sinclair.

“I knew that that person knew and identified me and could see and know the truth about me. And so I trusted that, since that person knows me, and I consider myself an honorable person. And then this person made an appeal on behalf of Larry Sinclair. I knew then there was some validity to what Larry had to say.

“But I don’t know him personally. I have no idea who he is, beyond that, this one person who validated myself and him.”

RENSE: “Does it surprise you that this has been completely suppressed, except for the Globe? You know, this has been, this has been around for some time, on my program and some other media outlets.”

PASTOR MANNING: “I’m not surprised that it had been suppressed. You’re talking about a group of people, not so much Barack himself, but you’re talking about a group of people who have found an opening in the American system of democracy and a wedge between all of its problems, a nation coming out perhaps of one of its worst military campaigns, headed towards perhaps its second greatest financial struggle, a country torn asunder with racial strife, and a myriad number of problems and a country crumbling of what it used to be in its heyday.”

RENSE: “Oh, yeah.”

PASTOR MANNING: “And a group of people who have the opportunity now to seize power and they already control the media, they control what people think, they control what we listen to, and now have this candidate. So, I’m not surprised that matter is suppressed the way it is. What I’m surprised is that Larry Sinclair is still alive. That’s what I am surprised, that…”

RENSE: “This is something Larry worried about quite a bit too. His personal safety and he has received God only knows how many Death threats.

“There is certainly a very powerful kabala interested in electing Barack Obama….”

PASTOR MANNING: “…Absolutely.”

RENSE: “ …to the White House.

“These people certainly, obviously have their hands on the majority, not the overwhelming dominance of the mass media.”

PASTOR MANNING: “They do.”

RENSE: “Thence the oblivion status of the story. I think that Larry Sinclair will do very well to go to Washington, DC, with proper protection to the National Press Club and call for a national press conference and make his statement and allegations right there.

“Would you, Sir, be willing to appear at such press conference should there be one?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Yes, I would, without hesitation. I would definitely appear.”

RENSE: “Alright. I think that is something the American people have a right to know. Now, one’s personal sexual preferences, religious issues aside for a moment, at very high level of government in this country obviously opens him up to political blackmail.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Absolutely.”

RENSE: “That is one key issue. Just one. The others, of course, are issues of morality and standing forth for the values and principles upon this country was founded.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Can I, can I comment upon the first one, regarding opening for blackmail?

“We are looking at a very dangerous situation here with respect to Reverend Wright and his homosexual relationship with Senator Obama.

“And I will go even further to say the Oprah Winfrey’s knowledge of that church is the intricacies of its working and how it’s run. I’m a Pastor of a church. And we have gone through what normal churches go through with sexuality. There’s always, there’s a close relationship between spirituality and sexuality within churches. But Oprah will know this, and I’m afraid that the issues that and that the people that are aware of Obama’s homosexuality, they’re not using it now, but they are not his friends, and he understands that as well. They have been. He’s isolated from Reverend Wright.

“So blackmail is a ??? possibility and can possibly sway our nation in the wrong way and people who wouldn’t think would be pulling strings will certainly being doing so.”

RENSE: : “I understand. We have another break coming up momentarily.

“There is an issue of geopolitics in this country which most Americans don’t know about, don’t think about or rather would not think about, and that issue is the political tool of murder. It happens often. It happens far more frequently than Americans would ever believe and there is an issue apparently at the core of the accusations against Senator Obama of homosexuality and drug use, which do in fact embrace and envelop the murder of a man, named Donald Young, who happens to have been the choirmaster at Reverend Wright’s church and also apparently the part-time choirmaster at the church frequented by Oprah Winfrey, somewhere in the South.

“This man was found shot to death, multiple gunshots, on Christmas day of 2007.

“When we come back and talk to Pastor Manning and ask for his views on the murder of Donald Young and how that may or may not fit into this entire story, in just a couple of minutes.

“Ok. We’re back, talking with Pastor James Manning about the scandal surrounding the candidacy of Barack Obama.

“And all of you have noticed in the last couple of weeks the incredible pressure put on Mrs. Clinton to get out of the race, even though Obama has literally won no major States of consequence, a couple. Hillary has carried the big States. Obama carried the fringe. It’s like Goldwater, in ‘64.

“Alright, murder. Political murder in this country is extremely common. I think that all of you who pay attention to the news saw what happened to the so-called DC Madam, Janet Palfrey, found obviously murdered in a shed outside her mother’s home.

“I would hope that Ms Palfrey had committed to paper or some media all of her secrets and made them quite safe for other people. Although threats can be astonishingly evil and satanic, and when you go to someone and say that if this gets out your mother, your nieces, your nephews, your brothers, your sisters will all be dead within two or three years, it becomes pretty difficult to reconcile with that.

“It’s a very ugly world in some respects, and murder is certainly part and parcel of the American political process.

“Was Donald Young’s murder, in your opinion, Pastor Manning, related directly to the issue of the homosexuality and probably drug abuse of Barack Obama?”

PASTOR MANNING: “In my opinion, yes. Again, I am just becoming aware of him as well as Larry Sinclair, but, in my opinion, most assuredly his death and the instrument of murder was a tool to keep the drug habits, the heavy cocaine use, and the homosexual cravings that both Reverend Wright and Senator Obama are possessed with, and they are possessed with that spirit, violent, and that he might go forward with his campaign, unthreatened, or bribed or hindered, by someone who is very intimate about his personal failings.”

RENSE: “Are you aware of the testimony on this program of Larry Sinclair that Donald Young contacted him on multiple occasions, and could only have gotten Sinclair’s number from inside sources, and it is Larry Sinclair’s contention that Barack Obama in fact suggested, urged, or otherwise was involved with the phone calls and emails that Donald Young made to Larry Sinclair to find out his position of what he knew and what he was planning to do with the information.”

PASTOR MANNING: “I am not aware of that testimony on this program. Forgive me, I am not all that apprised of a large number of things…”

RENSE: “That’s all right. That is in fact what has been said here, and as well, I believe on Larry’s website.”

PASTOR MANNING: “I did read something, in an email, I believe, about the handing over of a cell phone number of Larry Sinclair, and that the two did not know one another, and that they were in contact by Donald making the initial contact. But that’s the extent of what I know about that. And I’m just becoming aware of all this by the way over the last week or so.”

RENSE: “Um-hmm. I see. You have particularly been down on Oprah Winfrey and her involvement in this and have made statements that you feel she is more than well-aware of Obama’s predilections to drugs and bi-sexuality. What gives you that feeling, Pastor Manning?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Well, I’m absolutely sure. It’s very difficult to know someone as intimately as, uh, especially in a church setting, and that is what a church does more so than sitting in the center chamber, or the congress chamber, the house chamber, when you’re sitting in a church and you’re involved in a church, and you get involved in the spirituality there is a tendency to grow close to one another as a family. And Oprah and Barack were in that setting, and having such high visibility, a person such as Oprah and then Senator Barack, the pastor would definitely single them out and they would be a large part of his planning. And so, they grew very close to one another. And Oprah is suspected of being a lesbian. I think she just fended off a claim a couple of weeks ago. I don’t know the details of it; someone made an allegation of her being a lesbian. And I think that most America, while we don’t have the kind of proof perhaps that people would like to have, suspect that the woman is a lesbian. And lesbians, and gays, and bi-sexuals tend to know one another concretely. And so I think that she and Obama knew one another that way.”

RENSE: “All right. As far as Obama’s campaign, his candidacy, you’ve known about all this for how long, Pastor Manning? Approximately.”

PASTOR MANNING: “With respect to his homosexuality?”

RENSE: “Yes, and his drug use. How long have you known about these things?”

PASTOR MANNING: “These things I’ve just…this year…2008 I’ve just become aware of them. I became aware of the homosexuality and drug use aspect a little after I made the statements regarding his mother. I became aware of those aspects. I became aware of it just a little before also I knew anything about Larry Sinclair. All of my information was independent of Larry Sinclair.”

RENSE: “I see, very good. Now as far as his being–Obama’s being—manipulated and pushed forward as a ‘savior’ so to speak on the American political scene, what, since the average American does not have a fair portrait of what’s going on behind the scenes because of the Main Stream Media domination, what can be done to publicize this to give American’s an honest chance to make a legitimate evaluation of this man as a potential president? Any ideas?”

PASTOR MANNING: “Well, the only…not the only idea…but the most efficient is the one that I’m using right now. I’m preaching with all of the strength that I can about Obama, and the truth that I know about him, and I’m doing it in under some very dangerous situations here in the middle of Harlem where my ministry and church is. I mean I’m right in the vortex of this community here in New York City.”

RENSE: “Any death threats yet, Pastor Manning?”

PASTOR MANNING: “No, I haven’t had any death threats as of yet. I mean I’ve had people say a lot of mean things, and there’s been a lot of tension going back and forth, but no actual threats of death. And what I…what I’m doing is presently getting the word out. I think that in addition to, as I speak, other people are hearing my heart that have the opportunity to speak out as well. And I believe that when the time comes, whether it be the third of June, or whether it be at the Convention in Denver, that all of these matters are going to be on the table, and people are going to know them. I suspect that Congressman Charles Rangel knows them. And there are some things that I know about these politicians that I’m not ready to reveal right now.”

RENSE: “Understood…”

PASTOR MANNING: “…But I know them concretely. But I suspect that Charles Rangel knows more about them than I do about Barack Hussein Obama, with respect to drug use and homosexuality. And I suspect that’s one of the reasons he’s sticking with Hillary so passionately, because he knows the truth.”

RENSE: “OK, stand by Pastor Manning, we will be continuing with our audience in just a couple of minutes.”

“OK, back with Pastor James Manning. This is a very important program, because the issue of Barack Obama’s sex and drug abuse are now are beginning to take root in this society. Albeit small, it is beginning to be noticed. The Globe is in God only knows how many tens of thousands of stores in this country, maybe hundreds of thousands. This is the second issue they’ve done on the Larry Sinclair story. I would suspect that Pastor James Manning’s story will be perhaps in the following episode of this publication, and its coverage of the story.

“So with respect to your earlier comment that you’re surprised that Larry Sinclair is still alive, is safety to be found, Pastor Manning, in publicizing issues like this? Some people say the more people that know the better.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Well, you know I suppose I’m ambivalent about the answer to that question, mainly because at the level at which I am speaking, but more specifically with what Larry Sinclair is saying, because he’s talking about a personal sexual experience with the Senator, and that is far more condemning than the information that I can present. So therefore his life is definitely at stake. I think that there is no safety for Larry, not even in a large number of people coming forward. Historically you don’t get a large number of people coming who do know information such as what Larry knows. And every choir member in Trinity United Church of Christ knows in Chicago, and all over the south side of Chicago knows. They don’t come forward. I mean they just don’t come forward on issues like this. And it isn’t just a fact of fearing for death, but you have a large number of people who sympathize with the Senator, and feel that, you know ‘we’ll just wink at his weaknesses’. One person, several persons have written to me and said, ‘OK, we know he’s got skeletons in his closet, leave him alone. He’s going to do great things. There’s no one running for office that doesn’t have skeletons in their closet.”

RENSE: “I’ve heard the same rationale before, too.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Yes!”

RENSE: “In point of fact, some people are now to the point, and I think it’s because this society has been bathed in sexual excess of all kinds, and drug excesses of all kinds for so long, they say ‘So what? He could still be a great president. That shouldn’t disqualify him.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Absolutely.”

RENSE: “And that’s a very lamentable commentary about America.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Well, I get a lot of that, and then of course the people and the circumstances which Barack has traveled. You’re talking about the African American people, and for them to turn him in would be like the people of Pakistan to turn in Hussein Obama, they’re just not going to…oh, I guess it’s, that’s his name, Obama Hussein, Obama Hussein.
Anyway, you get the idea what I’m talking about…”

RENSE: “Sure.”

PASTOR MANNING: “There is a loyalty to Obama by black people no matter no matter what he has done to ‘Do not betray him.’ ‘Do not speak the truth about him.’”

RENSE: : “Would this loyalty extend to some people in the black community to…take out Larry Sinclair and others who may be trying to bring this story out in…”

PASTOR MANNING: “…Absolutely! Before you even get that question out of your mouth, you’re absolutely right. No, there’s no doubt about it. And you’re talking about surrogates carrying out the act of murder on Larry, or harm upon him or his family members or others, and would do so without Obama asking them to do it.”

RENSE: “I understand…”

PASTOR MANNING: “You can’t imagine how excited black America is about the potential of Barack becoming president. And there are people who are willing to give their lives to make sure that nothing gets in the way of that. I understand that clearly as I go forward. I just made the commitment to go forward. But there are people who are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that nothing hinders this perhaps great and historical moment for black people. And Larry Sinclair is in a very dangerous situation. And so is James David Manning for that matter.”

RENSE: “You’ve made comments in the clip I played a portion of, about Oprah Wenfrey turning her back on mainstream America. That part of America which literally has made her one of the most famous women in the world, let alone one of the most famous black women in the world.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Most black women, church women, don’t like Oprah, mainly because she is so left field, and out there that they can’t reconcile her views with their spirituality or their individual struggles. Oprah, without a doubt has been made the queen of whatever it is she is queen of—the billionaire that she is—by middle America white women, who worshipped her. Who, the same way some whites are treating Obama saw the opportunity to just lavish on a black person who they thought they could get close to, all of the love and all of the strength and the ambience of being white. And they gave it to Oprah, thinking that perhaps that she would return it in kind if ever asked. But her heart has never been with white folk, and the first opportunity she got to demonstrate what she really believes and what she really feels, without hesitancy, she chose Barack Hussein Obama. When she could have remained neutral, you know, she didn’t have to chose either one. She didn’t have to choose either Hillary or Barack. She could have remained neutral but she not only chose Senator Obama, and then when she was challenged by many from her audience about her choice and her disavowing white women and women’s issues she railed at them and asked them ‘who do they think they are?’ for challenging her, she is a free woman and she can do exactly what she wants to do. I thought that was one of the saddest things that has happened throughout this campaign. But again, you have to remember that they are closely wed in sexual deviancy out of the Trinity Church.”

RENSE: “All right. Your point about Osama Ben Laden being turned in by Pakistani Muslims was a good one. And I think that Americans need to understand that there is, especially in the inner cities an absolute ferocity supporting Barack Hussein Obama. And this is a rather unusual configuration in American policies because these people, many of them will on their own, without being encouraged, do as you say almost anything to further the interests of their hero. And that is a very dangerous political issue.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Most assuredly. And it’s going to become increasing so as we move toward the end of the primary. If there is any attempt to derail the Obama candidacy, a number of high-ranking Democratic officials have declared that there’ll be riots in the street, if somehow or another this proposed nomination is taken away from him. But that having been said if someone comes forward, and for whatever reasons, I think that people have respected me as a black preacher, and one who has been in the community of Harlem now for twenty-seven years, even though I’ve said some things that are degrading for Obama, they’ve given me a little bit of slack and have not approached me perhaps as…and the other thing is that right now—perhaps I shouldn’t say this, but I’m going to go ahead and say it for the sake of advancing all of our causes—most blacks don’t think that I am relevant; they think that I am an ‘Uncle Tom’, that I’m a ‘handkerchief head, and what I’m saying is not going to go anywhere, and that I don’t have the power to sway either black or white people. So they’re kind of saying I’m irrelevant, because I’m just giving out information. Larry Sinclair’s situation is different; his is much graver than mine.”

RENSE: “Um hmm. If you could sit down in a face-to-face with Barack Hussein Obama for half-an-hour, an hour, what would you tell him?”

PASTOR MANNING: “I’d tell him how dangerous he is, and I would ask him to try to hear the sufferings of black people, to hear the sufferings of the women, the black women who lay awake at night, who don’t have a husband or man, but that have two to three children, who are struggling to support them, to try to hear the weeping and the lament of black men who have lost their way who are angry with the world, and to try to understand that as an African American people, or as a black nation we are slipping further and further into the abyss. We’re at the bottom of the world’s social register, and there is tremendous pain. The black woman is perhaps the most ill-treated, most painful woman on the planet. There ain’t nobody knows the trouble she sees, raising children, paying the bills. And I’d try to explain to him that what he is doing is offering a false hope.”

RENSE: “But he is a member, of course—excuse me, Pastor Manning—of the so-called ‘black over-class’. He couldn’t relate to what you’re describing with any ease or comfort at all. That is not his milieu it’s not his venue. He projects a true disinterest in that part of our culture and our society. And the man is half white; let’s tell it like it is.”

PASTOR MANNING: “I try to tell everybody that last year, he absolutely is. And he does not relate. He doesn’t understand. And I can appreciate that. My problem is that, the larger problem is that I see, and one of the reasons I started on this campaign is that the black nation can’t understand that he doesn’t understand that. They don’t perceive that he is so alienated from them, so outside so ostracized away from who they are, or their concerns, and that he will never reach in to touch them. And so they are giving themselves whole-heartedly over to a fairy tale. It just doesn’t mean a thing for them. And it’s only going to bring more pain and more disappointment in his candidacy. That’s my problem. And the other thing is that the black nation has routinely made wrong choices with their leaders over the last fifty years which has brought us to the awful state that we’re in.”

RENSE: “That’s a very important point which I’d like to explore with you perhaps in another conversation. Pastor James Manning, thank you very much for being here tonight and sharing your views.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Thank you for having me, Jeff.”

RENSE: “Indeed. Good night, Sir.”

PASTOR MANNING: “Take care.”

RENSE: “Pastor James Manning…Harlem…you’re in the middle of it. And that’s quite an hour. We’ll be back.”

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