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To: Jacob Kell
"not even Serbs authorities claim that they are more than 25% Serbs" was the appox quote by either Malcolm Noel or Vickers. Not sure, but I can find if one challenges me on that. The point is that was not "Serbia." It was in the 14th century, when part of France was "England" as well.

It turns out Serbs wanted half of Albania as well, for "historical reasons," given that they had ruled it in the 13th century. They actually wanted two ports. The problem with "Kosovo is Serbia" is that people have bitter memories and don't want to be "Serbia"

There's a lot written by Leo Freundlich, Leon Tolstoy (who was a reporter,) Edith Durham and Carnegie Institute on Serbia's 1913 (?)campaign. Serbs started to literally wipe them out, especially on the borders, apparently the border would move based on population, so kill Albanians and it is no longer "Albania."

The thousand and thousands of men, women, children and old people who have been slain or tortured to death, the villages marauded and burnt to the ground, the women and young girls who have been raped, and the countryside plundered, ravaged and swimming in blood can give no answer to this question.

The Serbs came to Albania not as liberators but as exterminators of the Albanian people. The Ambassadors' Conference in London proposed drawing the borders of Albania according to ethnic and religious statistics to be gathered on site by a commission. The Serbs have hastened to prepare the statistics for them with machine guns, rifles and bayonets. They have committed unspeakable atrocities.
The shock and outrage produced by these crimes are outdone only by the sense of sorrow that such vile deeds could be committed in Europe, not far from the great centres of western culture, in this twentieth century. Our sorrow is made all the heavier by the fact that, despite the reports which have been cabled home for months now by the journalists of many nations, and despite the impassioned indictment launched to the world by Pierre Loti, nothing has been done to put an end to the killings.

A courageous people full of character is being crucified before the eyes of the world and Europe, civilized Christian Europe, remains silent!
Tens of thousands of defenceless people are being massacred, women are being raped, old people and children strangled, hundreds of villages burnt to the ground, priests slaughtered.

And Europe remains silent! Serbia and Montenegro have set out to conquer a foreign country. But in that land live a freedom-loving, brave people who despite centuries of servitude have not yet become accustomed to bearing a foreign yoke. The solution is obvious. The Albanians must be exterminated!
Leo Freundlich: Albania's Golgotha: Indictment of the Exterminators of the Albanian People http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1913_1.html And while this may ancient in the West, when and do it again in 1999, you talk about "throwing them out" in 2008, people do react. One of their church leaders recently called Russia to invade or give Serbia guns and volunteers. The problem is that people there apparently don not want to become Serbs.
26 posted on 05/16/2008 8:02:16 AM PDT by old-and-old
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To: old-and-old
What you quote is a bunch of hysterical propaganda. The Albanians were a violent mountain people often used by the Turks and Austrians to kill of Serbs.

Though the Turkish had to actually order the Albanians to stop their killings for in killing off Serbs and Christians in Macedonia, the tax base was being eroded.

The Turks took a heavy amount of the agricultural production of the Christians they overlorded.

There are historical photos of Turkish soldiers having to escort Serb religious peoples in Kosovo due to Albanian attacks.

It was entirely unsafe to travel in Kosovo before Yugoslavia was created as the Albanians would rob and kill travelers.

One of their methods was to create an obstruction in the road, including rolling bolders down the hillsides, so the travelers had to stop and the Albanians would come down from the hillsides/mountains to rob and kill them.

29 posted on 05/16/2008 8:28:45 AM PDT by joan
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To: old-and-old
Here is one of the reports from Britain I told you about. It shows that Albanians are easy liars and scammers and claiming they were from Kosovo was an easy ticket into other countries/territories (and this would include Kosovo). So the destroyed document claim was most convenient for these types.

Crackdown on Albanians who lied about fleeing Kosovo war

Hundreds of successful asylum seekers could have their British citizenship revoked after investigators uncovered a massive immigration fraud.

The Home Office is targeting Albanians who claimed to be victims of the war in Kosovo.

According to the Daily Mail's sister paper, the Evening Standard, more than 80,000 refugees settled in Britain when Nato expelled Serbian forces from the province amid accusations of "ethnic cleansing" in 1999.

Now the Home Office has evidence that many were not refugees fleeing the war but economic migrants from neighbouring Albania who adopted fake Kosovar identities to claim asylum.

The clampdown, launched last month, is being aimed at those whose identities have been checked and proved false - genuine refugees from the Kosovo conflict are not affected.

The precise number of those involved is not known, but dozens of letters are thought to have been sent out so far, with more to come as information is gathered.

London's 25,000-strong Albanian community has been thrown into panic by the move, with internet forums flooded with posts from people anxious about their future in Britain.

A genuine asylum seeker, who was given permission to remain, said: "It's been an open secret for years that thousands of Albanians were getting refugee status here by saying they were from Kosovo. It used to be the fasttrack route into Britain and lots of people took it.

"There was a network that included traffickers and intermediaries. People were told to say they were from Kosovo - it never failed."

Many of those facing expulsion have jobs, mortgages and British passports, with children who speak English and are at school here.

The Home Office letters warn that those suspected of getting a passport by deception could face three months in jail or a £5,000 fine.

This week, another letter was sent out by the Border and Immigration Agency, ordering those suspected of trickery to hand in their passports.

The letter adds that the passport and certificate of naturalisation will be retained "until this matter is resolved".

Another letter said their application for citizenship would be re-assessed, causing confusion because those affected are not sure if they are going to be deported.

The clampdown began when British embassy officials in the Albanian capital, Tirana, examined applications from so-called Kosovars who had been given leave to remain in Britain and wanted to bring their families over as well.

Embassy staff noted that the families all seemed to be from Albania, not Kosovo, and further checks revealed that a massive fraud had been operating for years.

A Home Office spokesman said: "We believe British citizenship should be a gold standard. Whenever we receive evidence of fraud we will investigate.

"Where we can prove fraud we will strip individuals of their citizenship and remove them from the country."

31 posted on 05/16/2008 8:44:16 AM PDT by joan
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