[puroresu]

You know, a lot of very learned individuals have spoken about liberty over the years. George Washington. Thomas Jefferson. James Madison. John Locke. Edmund Burke. Alexis de Tocqueville. Abraham Lincoln. Teddy Roosevelt. George Santayana. C.S. Lewis. Russell Kirk. Winston Churchill. This list goes on and on.

And to the best of my knowledge, it never crossed the minds of a single one of them that the right to "marry" someone of the same sex was a basic attribute of human liberty.

Where did you get the idea that it is?

[purpleraine]

......the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happeness. Clauses of the constitution which allow equal access and protection. Where did you get the idea that they couldn’t?

[purpleraine]

BTW, your list has people on it who fought and spoke for liberty and then went home and oversaw their slaves. While their words were impressive and inspiring, I am not always impressed by their practices. Be careful not to let people's word's cover up their behavior.

I know it's a common debate technique here to quote the founders and others, but lets look at what they did.

Isn't it ironic that you cite their words and I use the same words to prove you are wrong?

In England a hundred years ago they put homosexuals in jail. I guess you really want to return to the good old days of the great men.