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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Marriage is a religious institution, and the state has no business with it.

However, the family is the foundational unit of society. Without families, society as we know it cannot exist. Government has a compelling interest in furthering society, and opposite-sex couples are how we do that.

I am fine with the elimination of prohibitions against same-sex couples being together. And I think they should have the same right of individual contracts as anybody else, so if they want to leave money to each other, or allow each other to make medical decisions, go right ahead.

But I don’t think the state should have to give them special benefits. There’s no purpose for the state to encourage same-sex couples. However, there IS a purpose for the state to encourage opposite-sex couples. If they don’t people will procreate, but won’t get married, the mothers will be single moms which puts additional burden on the state, and children without parents of both sexes grow up generally less adapted than others.

There’s no purpose in encouraging same-sex couples, because if a same-sex couple decides to sleep around, they can’t have children, so there’s no change they will end up as single parents.

It is so obvious why the state has a compelling reason to encourage long-term relationships between opposite-sex couples, for the good of society because they are the ones who can make children.

And it is equally obvious that, other than that SPECIFIC benefit to the state, the state has NO interest in who is living with whom, or what their relationship is like or how they decide to share their burdens and responsibilities.

Therefore, the state should NOT have same-sex unions, only opposite-sex unions.

I will note that some people argue that only couples with children should get the benefits. First, any opposite-sex couple theoretically can have children at any time, and as I said, the state has an interest in encouraging the biological parents to stay together.

Second, we actually DO encourage these opposite-sex couples to have children, by offering child tax credits and standard deductions, paying for their child’s education, and other benefits.

A society that does not encourage procreation, and that does not encourage individuals to form small societal units to raise those children (families) will decay. The state is ill-prepared to raise children.


110 posted on 05/15/2008 12:43:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
First of all, let me say I appreciate an intelligent response on this issue, unlike most of the ones I've gotten.

However, the family is the foundational unit of society. Without families, society as we know it cannot exist. Government has a compelling interest in furthering society, and opposite-sex couples are how we do that.

I agree that families are the foundation of society. I disagree with the government engaging in social engineering - once you give them that power, they can take it in any direction, and that's what's happened here.

But I don’t think the state should have to give them special benefits. There’s no purpose for the state to encourage same-sex couples. However, there IS a purpose for the state to encourage opposite-sex couples. If they don’t people will procreate, but won’t get married, the mothers will be single moms which puts additional burden on the state, and children without parents of both sexes grow up generally less adapted than others.

I agree about special benefits, but I am very skeptical that the number of single mothers will increase. People of faith will still get married, and for the others, divorce is so easy these days, what's the difference? Also, I favor laws that make fathers legally responsible for their offspring - no walking away and making it solely the woman's problem. That's one of the biggest causes of abortion.

There’s no purpose in encouraging same-sex couples, because if a same-sex couple decides to sleep around, they can’t have children, so there’s no change they will end up as single parents.

True, but there's no reason to discourage it either.

It is so obvious why the state has a compelling reason to encourage long-term relationships between opposite-sex couples, for the good of society because they are the ones who can make children.

True, but same-sex couples can (theoretically) adopt. I'm of the mind that a child is better off in a two-parent same-sex household than a single-parent household or the horrible state institutions for the poor children who have no parents.
130 posted on 05/15/2008 12:59:30 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Once again, you are arguing the wrong question.

The court HAS NO RIGHT to make a determination of whether or not pretended marriages of this type should be recognized by California law. You, and others, are arguing the merits, when what is required is to argue against the usurpation.

The people of California have already deliberated on this issue. They've made a decision.

The Court has written a law, based on the Court's preferences, WHICH THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO.

The discussion here supposes that the problem is insufficient arguments against homosexual behavior and homosexual "marriages" in front of the court - but the problem is that the court HAS NO RIGHT TO LEGISLATE, whatever the arguments are and whoever makes them.

142 posted on 05/15/2008 1:14:23 PM PDT by Jim Noble (ride 'em like you stole 'em)
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