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Cruise cameras show woman fell while alone
Philly.com ^ | Thu, May. 15, 2008 | Troy Graham

Posted on 05/15/2008 5:18:21 AM PDT by grjr21

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To: Squeako

ditto that! Heck, just looking at that balcony on my tv makes me dizzy. Don’t like heights ESPECIALLY over water. One little 3 1/2 foot bar is all that separates you from death. Nope. Not for me!


21 posted on 05/15/2008 5:57:21 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: grjr21

I wasn’t going to ask :-). Another point is that women, being smaller than men (as a rule) and with a lower body mass, get drunk more quickly if alcohol consumption is equal.


22 posted on 05/15/2008 5:57:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Yes, but how does that help?)
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To: Squeako

We had a man-overboard, at NIGHT in the Caribbean, and ANOTHER ship found him!!!


23 posted on 05/15/2008 5:58:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: bonfire
"I’m not understanding why her family thinks foulplay when she was alone?"

1. Because a relative of ours would never do anything stupid.

2. There's no money in it if it's not somebody else's fault.

24 posted on 05/15/2008 5:59:51 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Proverbs 3-5

At least they had a window instead of an interior room.

I think I’d like to stay on land :-).


25 posted on 05/15/2008 5:59:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Yes, but how does that help?)
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To: grjr21; All

When there is a serious crime or unexplained death on a cruise ship, how is it determined which police department has jurisdiction?


26 posted on 05/15/2008 6:01:21 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Joe 6-pack

yep!


27 posted on 05/15/2008 6:03:22 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: grjr21

a friend of mine just got off the Norweigan Dawn that day. came back from Bermuda. The bus caught fire on the way back to New London.

not a good day for Norweigan Cruise Lines


28 posted on 05/15/2008 6:18:23 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: grjr21
The company says that it has footage demonstrating that the boyfriend was not in her room and footage showing that she was alone when she fell from the balcony.

They do not say how she fell.

The balcony railings are four feet high and she was five feet tall, so it is unlikely that she accidentally fell.

In another account, the boyfriend says that she fell off because "she was horsing around."

If he was in another room, and she was on her room's balcony how would he know if she was horsing around?

As usual, important data points are missing.

29 posted on 05/15/2008 6:18:36 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: grjr21

Wow, they called man overboard within 4 or 5 minutes of when she fell and they still couldn’t find her. Seems like the search area would be relatively small. Perhaps she drowned right away.


30 posted on 05/15/2008 6:23:45 AM PDT by jrp
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To: purpleraine
When there is a serious crime or unexplained death on a cruise ship, how is it determined which police department has jurisdiction?

Based on my limited understanding of maritime law:

As long as it's not in port, not within the waters of any foreign country, the FBI has jurisdiction. But the local authorities (in this case, the Bahamian police) where the ship next docks, or wherever it docked last, can be called in to interview witnesses.

The FBI can even investigate crimes on foreign soil that involve U.S. citizens, though they require the permission of the host country. The Khobar Towers bombing is an example, where the Saudi authorities weren't very cooperative.

If elements of the crime occurred before the ship sailed, say in NYC, the authorities there would be involved in the investigation.

31 posted on 05/15/2008 6:24:33 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: wideawake
In another account, the boyfriend says that she fell off because "she was horsing around."

If he was in another room, and she was on her room's balcony how would he know if she was horsing around?

He would know what she was doing when he left the cabin, and he was in an adjacent cabin; he would have known if she was leaning over the railing to get the attention of the folks next door.

32 posted on 05/15/2008 6:27:31 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: jrp
Wow, they called man overboard within 4 or 5 minutes of when she fell and they still couldn’t find her. Seems like the search area would be relatively small. Perhaps she drowned right away.

She could have been killed or knocked unconscious by something on her way down, or by impact with the water. Even with a limited search area, it's difficult to find something as small as a person in something as big as the Atlantic Ocean, especially if the person isn't wearing a life vest or surrounded by flotsam.

33 posted on 05/15/2008 6:30:14 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: grjr21

If they had a bad relationship, he could have locked her out on the balcony.


34 posted on 05/15/2008 6:49:04 AM PDT by JBCiejka
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To: jrp

propellers


35 posted on 05/15/2008 6:49:43 AM PDT by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: Proverbs 3-5

As soon as you step on board, you’ll be offered drinks. There are also bars everywhere you look. Most cruises are pretty boozy.

I don’t blame ‘em. People like to drink on vacation and cruise lines make lots of extra cash on those expensive drinks. I’ve seen people run tabs in the $100-200 range every day just for drinks.


36 posted on 05/15/2008 6:50:14 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: varyouga
...People like to drink on vacation and cruise lines make lots of extra cash on those expensive drinks.

Fixed that!

37 posted on 05/15/2008 6:57:49 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome..." I. Asimov)
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To: grjr21

I would be drunk as soon as I got on the ship! It’s a vacation ya know!


38 posted on 05/15/2008 7:11:37 AM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: Graybeard58

I guess it should be changed to person-overboard. Feminist everywhere have found a new cause.


39 posted on 05/15/2008 7:16:01 AM PDT by BBell
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To: grjr21
I bet this is one case where the BF is going to be very thankful for the cameras.

He could spend years as a suspect without them.

40 posted on 05/15/2008 7:38:07 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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